Talk:Gyeongseong Creature

Synopsis

This is the current encapsulation provided for what the series is about:
"In the spring of 1945 in Gyeongseong, during the Japanese occupation of Korea, two young adults confront a strange creature born of greed and battle against it for survival."
I watched all episodes and what I saw is, in a nutshell:
Tokyo is being bombed and the Imperial Japanese Army realizes it is going to lose the war; the Japanese military in China is frantically destroying all evidence of inhumane medical and chemical experiments on Chinese civilians; one Japanese officer (Colonel Kato), however, departs the compound with several vials containing fluids; he takes charge of continuing the experiments at an underground facility in Gyeongseong, where Korean civilians have been kidnapped and held against their will as prisoners; he selects two women and watches as they drink a clear liquid from a cup; both women soon begin to feel agony; one kills herself by banging her head repeatedly against the walls and floor of her cell, while the other woman begins to heave in pain; meanwhile, the top Japanese surgeon (Director Ichiro) at the facility is performing vivisection on a Korean man, and a horrified Japanese artist (Ryu Sachimoto) is expected to sketch all the procedures; the location where these cruel, cold-blooded crimes against humanity are taking place is in Onseong Hospital and the experiments are being funded (we later find out) by a noblewoman from a high-ranking Japanese family (Yukiko Maeda) who is in a marriage of convenience with the commander (Commissioner Ishikawa) of Gyeongseong's Japanese police force; Ishikawa has a Korean mistress (Akiko) that has gone missing and he wants her to be found; Korean businessman Jang Tae-Sang must find Akiko or he will lose all his business and holdings; Korean sleuth Yoon Chae-Ok and her father Yoon Jung-Won are searching for missing mother and wife Choi Seong-Sim, who has been turned into the Gyeongseong Creature by Colonel Kato. The underlying plot of brutal human experimentation is based on Unit 731.
Suffice it to say, there is a hell of a lot more about the synopsis of this series than "In the spring of 1945 in Gyeongseong, during the Japanese occupation of Korea, two young adults confront a strange creature born of greed and battle against it for survival." Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 14:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

English language sources

This may be a Korean series, but it is an exclusive Netflix production. The article needs more English-language sources. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 08:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pyxis Solitary: Then just do it yourself. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 12:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

98Tigerius: It's not that I don't know I can do it, it's that I've deliberately held back from doing it based on personal experience with editing K series articles. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 12:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Adding Season 2 sections before season premieres

MOS:TVUPCOMING states: "When a series is renewed for an additional season, a section is not to be added for that season until such time as an episode table can be created. Information regarding the renewal should be added to the article's lead, when it is revealed."
Except for development and production information about Season 2, editors cannot jump the gun and create stand-alone sections about a season that will be released in the future. Per MOS:TV, I've removed the following S2 sections from the article:

Season 2
Season 2 Set in present-day Seoul, it is about the story of Ho-jae, who resembles Jang Tae-sang, and Yoon Chae-ok, who meet and explore the unfinished relationship, fate, and evil relationship of Gyeongseong. Season 2 Bae Hyun-sung Lee Moo-saeng References

Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 07:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pyxis Solitary I'm perplexed about how TVUPCOMING, which is nested under "Episodes listing", is relevant to MOS:TVCAST, located under "Parent ... article structure". Additionally, I don't understand how TVCAST is considered a "List of" when we haven't split off the section into a standalone list which the entire "List of ... structure" is dedicated to this, and neither does MOS:TVCHARACTER, also nested under "List of ... structure", overwrite or conflict with TVCAST". — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Paper9oll: I understand what you are saying. It has been my understanding and experience with TV articles that a forthcoming season does not have plot/synopsis and cast sections for the future season until it has actually premiered. However, cast changes, new cast, showrunner change, etc. — everything about the production of the forthcoming season — is included in the Production section. I may be wrong. It might be a worthwhile idea to get input about creating plot and cast sections for a future season in MOS:TV's talk page. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 10:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pyxis Solitary I'm not particularly focused on the plot section; instead, my concern lies more with the cast section. I'm happy to chip in to the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television to gain better clarity, even though I personally find the MOS:TV guidelines in its current form to be clear and straightforward. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Paper9oll: Actually, I didn't say it initially, but cast and characters are not supposed to be listed by separate seasons. There is only one Main cast list, one Supporting/Recurring cast list, and one Guest cast list, with new main, supporting, and guest actors and their characters added to the end of each respective list. MOS:TVCAST states:
"The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast being added to the end of the list. ... New casting information for forthcoming characters should be added to the bottom of the list, with their position readjusted if necessary as defined above."
The guidance gives "Michael Gaston as Mark Sampson" as example of how to add an actor/character, and in the Notes also links to this Cast and characters section as example of how cast is listed by season and new cast added to the list. Here are two more examples of how cast and characters are listed: Wynonna Earp (TV series)#Cast and characters (4 seasons), Peaky Blinders (TV series)#Cast (6 seasons). Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 09:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Rotten Tomatoes average score

When I updated the Rotten Tomatoes rating (from 83 to 91) on 31 March 2024, I could not access the average score to check if it had changed. It's available for films, but not TV shows. Don't know if this is a temporary or permanent change. I've brought it up at MOS:TV. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 23:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of original poster

What are you people doing? You don't wipe out the original series poster and replace it with the one for the following season. The original is original for a reason. What you need to do is add the next season poster file in the body of the article where that season is covered. The original Gyeongseong Creature poster was deleted from Wikipedia. This is wrong on so many levels. It's destructive editing because you are depriving the article of its history. The original series poster needs to be restored. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 01:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't accused us of something that you have no evidence for your claims. Provide a link(s) about guidelines/policies about "poster should not be change" or if there's a consensus about it. But if there's none then your claims are just an original research in my opinion. A lot of Korean dramas with more than one season has changed its poster to its latest season (an example of it is Sweet Home (TV series)) and no one complained about it. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 01:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

If you're going to edit TV articles, you need to read, learn, and follow MOS:TV. This article is the main article about the series -- not an article about the second season. MOS:TVIMAGE – #1: "For a main article, use an intertitle shot of the show...the intertitle does not need to be updated each time a new version is used." (Instead of an intertitle, the original poster was used for the infobox, but the policy still applies); #2: "For season articles, use a season-specific promotional poster or home media cover, or alternatively a season-specific title card, if one exists."
"A lot of Korean dramas with more than one season has changed its poster to its latest season...and no one complained about it." The problem with this is that there are too many editors of Korean TV articles that do things their way, not the Wikipedia way, and it has created a domino-effect. Just because no one has "complained" does not mean the article has been edited correctly. The MOS:TV for Korean TV articles, and the MOS:TV that editors of Korean TV articles need to follow are the same MOS:TV policy and guidelines that all editors of non-Korean TV articles have to abide by. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 02:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

MOS:TVIMAGE allows images to be placed within the body of TV articles: "Additional images in an article outside of the infobox must also comply with non-free content criteria, for the same reasons as above, and should strive to use free images whenever possible....Fair use rationale templates include: ...{{Non-free use rationale poster}} for posters."
Netflix's original promotional poster is a visual representation of what the series is about and can be included within the "Background and production" section. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 09:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Then be bold and re-upload it yourself. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 10:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)