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Karaoke versions

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According to iTunes, karaoke versions of "Keep Holding On", "Lean on Me", "Somebody to Love", "My Life Would Suck Without You" and "True Colors" have also been released for download. Obviously they'll just be the Glee arrangements rather than by the Glee cast, but I'm not sure whether they should be mentioned here somewhere? Frickative 20:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well of course it is totally unlikely that they will chart but they may have significant sales figures so perhaps that is enough relevance.--Coin945 (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Record Breaking

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Glee is like 5 songs away from beating the Beatles in the record for the most songs on Billboard Top 100 in a year. There are probably a lot of other records that Glee is very close to (or has already beaten). I suggest a section listing all these achievements on the main page.--Coin945 (talk) 05:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page out of date. Glee has now officially over-taken the Beatles for the most amount of charts on the Billbord 100 for one year.--Coin945 (talk) 10:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, as the source discusses how many singles they had out in 2009 and the article reflects that - it's not like they've gone back in time and released more last year :p Do you have any sources for any of these records? Frickative 16:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In 2009 Glee did not overtake the Beatles. That is fact and cannot be refuted. However after a quick count for the number of charts in 2010, it is clear to see that Glee has overtaken the Beatles' record. The source is merely a matter of addition.--Coin945 (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd rather stick to details that can be reliably sourced to third parties. Nothing in the Billboard article indicates whether the record they refer to was set in one calendar year, or a random 12–month span. Looking at List of The Beatles' record sales, that indicates it was a calendar year, in which case Glee have still not beaten it. I'm sure if they go on to beat it in 2010, some external site will find it noteworthy enough to mention. Frickative 06:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Apolegies... Glee is up to 29 for 2010 and the Beatles' record was 31.--Coin945 (talk) 08:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, Googling around I did find a couple of interesting bits that I've added to the lead, such as them beating The Beatles' record for shortest span between number ones. If they do the same with the next EP, they'll even beat their own record! Frickative 08:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, just out of interest, do you think it's about time for excerts of all the different songs of glee to be placed on the various pages about the individual Albumss and EP's as well as the more broad pages? On practically any other prestegeous page nowadays on youtube, there is an abundance of song excerts, glee being one of the more rare examples where this step has not been done. Obvoisly unlike the other discographies, escrts probably couldn't be placed in each individual osngs' pages as they are merely covers rather than originals but i think this is something that needs to be considered.--Coin945 (talk) 13:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By excerpt, do you mean a clip of the song, such as File:Michael Jackson - Billie Jean.ogg? (Sorry if I've misunderstood :)) What would be the fair use rationale? Frickative 14:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yah! Or like File:Iwanttoholdyourhandsample.ogg. All those types of audio excerpts. I'm sure what the fair use raitonale would be (I'm not that good in that department) but couldn't you just copy the fair use rationales used in a file like the one you wrote down here because it applies to the same circumstances.--Coin945 (talk) 10:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Glee is now tied with the Beatles for 2010. One more chart and whether it is well documented or not, it should be included in the article. Once it is, people will realise and it will be widely documented.--Coin945 (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Wikipedia isn't the place to add facts together and publish new facts - see WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. We should only report on what has already been published. Frickative 09:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would also be good to say in the lead that they got their first number one single with "Gives You Hell" in Ireland. Would that need a source that specifically says that? AnemoneProjectors 12:48, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure – I think that could just be a matter of summarising what's already in the body of the article? I can't find any useful sources because the wording is all similar to this, calling it the first number one in Ireland rather than the first number one generally, but I think it would be okay, because it's self-evident from the table which itself is well sourced. Frickative 13:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NZ

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i'm thinking of removing the new zealand column in this chart, since only the debut single, "Don't Stop Believin'" charted. it's already mentioned on the song page anyway, just like the only israel charting position. thoughts? Yvesnimmo (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds reasonable to me. I wasn't even aware the song had charted in Israel, so that should probably be noted at "Pilot" as well, but as long as that and the song article have a record of it, I've no objection to removing the NZ column here. Frickative 16:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Charting non-singles

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Journey to Regionals produced a few songs that charted on the hot 100 but weren't released as singles. How will those be dealt with on the chart? Specifically, Faithfully is at #37, Over the Rainbow at #43, Don't Stop Believin' (Regionals version) #59, To Sir With Love #76, and Bohemian Rhapsody #84.76.123.91.179 (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are in the chart under the "Other songs" section, as is every single other non-single song that has charted on the Hot 100, on the respective discographies. Yvesnimmo (talk) 04:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Don't Stop Believin'" (Regionals version)

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I have decided to remove "Don't Stop Believin'" from the Other charted songs section because charts are treating it as a re-entry of the debut single (see sources here, here, here, and here). Also, songs re-enter charts all the time, and it doesn't mean they should have separate entries in the discography. Yvesnimmo (talk) 07:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Singles chart

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This is only a suggestion but perhaps putting the headings for each country's column should be repeated between 2009 and 2010 singles, because at the moment you have to scroll all the way up to the top to view which country you're looking at in each column on the chart if you haven't memorised the order they're listed in. This isn't usually an issue, because most artists don't have such an extensive list of charting singles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.13.66 (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good suggestion, but the Manual of Style on accessibility says, "Do not place column headers in the middle of a table to visually separate the table.". It's an accessibility issue. Yves (talk) 14:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok. Perhaps a Madonna-like singles chart could be an alternative solution then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_singles_discography Her's are seperated into decades but with Glee songs they could be seperated into year groups? e.g. 2009, 2010 etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.13.66 (talk) 14:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now split by seasons. :) Yves (talk) 04:38, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Singles vs. other charted songs

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What's the difference between the "singles" and the "other charted songs"? Aren't they all sold as digital downloads, which is the functional equivalent of a single? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct; they are all sold as digital downloads. Only difference is most are specifically sold as singles, while other tracks are not and only available through the albums (EPs included). You can see which ones are singles on Amazon.com and the iTunes Store as well as Sony Music sites. Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals, for example, saw no singles released and those wanting to purchase the tracks had to purchase from the EP, and not as singles. Yves (talk) 06:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is this just a minor marketing distinction -- in one case, Amazon or iTunes publicizes the song as being "available as a single", and in the other case, Amazon or iTunes publicizes only the EP, but still sells the individual tracks separately? Either way, it seems like the buyer winds up with the same thing: one downloaded song. It would seem just as logical to place the "other charted songs" in the same chart with the singles, but if it is necessary to distinguish the "singles" from the rest, the chart could be labeled "Singles and other charted songs" and indicate in the Album column which tracks were not released as singles but as album tracks only. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of Glee: The Music, The Power of Madonna, though, all tracks are available for individual purchase and were released as singles. Songs are recorded, and then most are made available as singles, released digitally. The albums (including EPs) are physical CDs that are also made available online. Nearly all FL discographies have an "Other charted songs" section in addition to the "Singles" section, as the "Singles" section lists all released singles regardless of charting (e.g. "Don't Make Me Over", "(You're) Having My Baby", "Funny Girl", etc.), while the "Other charted songs" has the six tracks from Journey to Regionals as well as "I Say a Little Prayer", which charted in the United Kingdom. There are songs that are not in this discography: "I Wanna Sex You Up", "I Could Have Danced All Night", and "Leaving on a Jet Plane" were all released on certain issues of Glee: The Music, Volume 1, but never charted. I see your point about the singles seeing no physical release (although I do believe "Don't Stop Believin'" was released as a physical single in certain areas, but I'm still searching for a reliable source), but there is a clear, verifiable distinction between songs released as singles and songs that were not. Yves (talk) 07:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I guess this is an issue that does not pertain specifically to the Glee Cast, but to the overall marketing methods of the music industry in 2010. I have to admit that I'm not completely up to date in terms of following the digital download market. But from the customer's perspective, what is the difference between buying the Glee Cast single "Another One Bites the Dust" and buying the Glee Cast track "Bohemian Rhapsody"? "Another One Bites the Dust" can be purchased as a single, or you can also buy the entire album Glee: The Music, The Complete Season One instead. "Bohemian Rhapsody" can't be purchased as a single -- but you can buy it as a single track from Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals, or you could buy the whole Journey to Regionals album instead. Right? How does this make a difference to the customer? At this point, I'm not singling out the Glee Cast as a group which distinguishes between their singles and their other tracks which also hit the charts, I'm more trying to figure out how this distinction applies in the whole industry. When I was young, one could buy albums on 12-inch vinyl LPs, or on cassettes, and then later on compact disc. Or one could buy singles, first on 7-inch vinyl, then on cassettes, and later on CD as well. (The history in the previous two sentences has been oversimplified, but you get the idea.) Only singles were eligible to hit the Billboard Hot 100, and if a song wasn't released on a single, one couldn't buy it at all without purchasing the whole album. Now, obviously, times have changed. But if many singles are available only as downloads, and individual album tracks are also available as downloads, what distinctions can one make between singles and non-single album tracks that are sold separately? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the difference to the purchaser is that the singles are released the day of episode airing, and the non-EP albums are released only later. With the EPs, they accompany special episodes, and, even though the tracks from The Power of Madonna were released as singles, the tracks from Journey to Regionals were not, and it seems to be heading that way, as the tracks for The Rocky Horror Glee Show are available for pre-order from the EP, but not as singles. I think this is to avoid being redundant. So I think that's what it is: just the earlier purchase date, as the creators of Glee know people will want to buy the songs from the episodes, but obviously the complete non-EP albums will not have been made available for purchase yet. I agree with you that the Western music industry is heading in a complete new direction, and with albums by popular artists seeing promotional singles being released (e.g. three from Teenage Dream, three from Speak Now, two from The Fame Monster, two from Doo-Wops & Hooligans, etc.), these are helping to promote sales as well as gain exposure and these tracks usually do chart on the Billboard Hot 100. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the concept of a CD single is only widely sold in the UK and most of Europe? I've never seen any stores in Canada and the US sell them... well I haven't been to the US much, and the music stores there less, but there seems to be no distinction between singles and other charted songs in this hemisphere. You're right; this isn't an issue that pertains solely to the Glee Cast. Yves (talk) 18:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What would be most helpful to me would be if someone could point me to an article in Billboard magazine or somewhere that explains the distinction. I appreciate your efforts to explain this, but for some reason I'm still not getting it. (The "released the day the episode aired" issue is, of course, something that only applies to the Glee Cast. And back in the day, singles could be released long after an album came out; Def Leppard's Hysteria, Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814, Michael Jackson's Thriller, and Bruce Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. all had singles released every few months until more than a year after the albums were released.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't stop believing

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Shouldn't there be something in the Notes section below the discography table that the charting for Don't Stop Believing include both versions - that of the Pilot and of Regionals??--Coin945 (talk) 06:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was originally in the "Other charted songs" section (it was never released a single), but I decided to remove it (I believe I wrote an explanation in an above section) because Billboard, The Official Charts Company, the Irish Recorded Music Association, and the Australian Recording Industry Association all regard it as a re-entry of the same song, noting no differences. Yves (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Last Xmas

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Seeing as the length of it is 3:38 (the same as the single from last year) can we move it from "Non-album/episode single" to Yuletide once it airs? Cause it kinda seems like it's gonna be the same version. 75.68.52.240 (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If we get confirmation, then yes. It is pretty much the same length, but that doesn't mean it's the same version. Yves (talk) 00:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Out of interest, would we actually move it to the season two table, or leave it in place to preserve chronology? I don't know what typically happens with re-released singles. Frickative 00:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good question. In this case, I am not sure if it will be re-released as a single. If it does, then usually it is counted as the same song and the same entry, and Billboard will regard it as a continuation of the original release (i.e. instead of having charted for one week during its début, it will have charted for two weeks [or whatever the number is]). In this case, it would remain as is, because the year in the discography is for original release. [I don't know if this is clear and I've had to rewrite this a few times, but feel free to ask me to elaborate if you are still unclear.] Yves (talk) 00:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, no, that's perfectly clear thank you :) I didn't know Billboard did it that way, so that's very useful to know. Frickative 01:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guys! The previews are up and it's the exact same! http://www.gleeforum.com/Christmas-Album-Previews-t12605.html

P.S. I know this is not a reliable source, I just wanted y'all to hear it! 216.204.206.155 (talk) 14:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New EP

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http://www.target.com/Glee-Music-Love-Songs-Target/dp/B004DJD75E/ref=br_1_1?ie=UTF8&id=Glee%20Music%20Love%20Songs%20Target&node=1292214011&searchSize=30&searchView=list&searchPage=1&sr=1-1&qid=1292125860&rh=genre-bin%3ASoundtrack&searchBinNameList=price%2Cgenre-bin%2Csubgenre-bin%2Cformat-bin&searchRank=pmrank&frombrowse=1&AFID=Performics_Driving%20Revenue%20Inc&LNM=Primary 75.68.52.240 (talk) 20:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; saw that already. I'm going to wait until there's some sort of official announcement from FOX or Murphy. Yves (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems pretty official. I know what you mean, but can't we just mention it somewhere, like, "They are planning a love songs album", because we talk about the Super Bowl episode EP and the next soundtrack, but those haven't really been "officialy" announced. And besides, what if this is just a Target exclusive and won't be announced by FOX. Also, do you think it'll go under compilation or EP seeing as all the songs are previously unreleased on disc? Thank you so much for your time! ;D 75.68.52.240 (talk) 20:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All releases have been announced by FOX or at least a member of the cast or crew; a non-primary source is needed for these things. While Target looks like to be an established American corporation, any store could claim to be selling official Glee merchandise. And future releases aren't typically mentioned in a discography; none are mentioned on this page. Yves (talk) 21:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Volume 4 was up under Albums before it was released. I don't know exactly what you mean by "future releases", (in this case) but I just meant that the six songs listed haven't been on any of the other CDs, that's all! ;D And regarding Target's "qualifications", even if it's not "official", it should still be worth noting SOMEWHERE. Right? And besides, how would Target get those songs if, again, they've never been released. And it's not like Target's the black market! There's no shady, backroom deals going on here! (Okay, sorry about that! It was kinda unrelated, but it popped into my head and I just thought it was too funny! ;D) Thanks again! ;D 75.68.52.240 (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DISCOGSTYLE says not to include unreleased material, unless notable enough to include. Again, I think we should wait; if the release is scheduled for the twenty-eighth of December, then we only have a few weeks, right? The official FOX announcement for Glee: The Music, The Complete Season One came out the day of the compilation's release. And you'd be surprised at what is sold by retailers sometimes: unofficial mixtapes and video albums and such. Yves (talk) 21:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I don't really get what you're referring to with that first sentence. I was just commenting that those six songs have never been on any albums. I'm not saying it has to be noticed or be a factor in if we mention it or not, just an observation, that's all! ;D And yeah, we should just wait. But it does seem pretty plausible what with the V Day episode coming up! ;D

P.S. Do you think you could respond to my latest post in the sexton below? Thanks! ;D

Last Xmas Again

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The version on the Christmas Album is actually DIFFERENT than the single. I listened to them both at the same time the other day, and there is some extra vocalization and instrumental towards the end. So, um, yeah.... However you need to change the articles, just go right ahead! 75.68.52.240 (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how you can tell by listening to them both at the same time unless you have some audio visualization software. In any case, this is original research, which is not allowed. Granted, there isn't a source that confirms the two are the same. Yves (talk) 20:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I know there's no source, but I was referring to my earlier post. (Hence, "Again".) Also, I listened to the single on my iPod and the Album version in the stereo and listened very carefully. I can elaborate if you need more info! ;D 75.68.52.240 (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's a kind offer, but it still wouldn't help, as it would still be original research. Yves (talk) 21:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So how would I get it to not be original research? Do I have to actually find an article about it from a "professional website"? Because, I don't know if that exists. I just want all the references to the song to differ between the two! Is that too much to ask?!? 75.68.52.240 (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for blanking that yesterday, but...

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It's me! I'm just at school. So, um, sorry! And LOOK! http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/news/glee-target-exclusive-sale-1228

P.S. If this isn't "official", than I don't know what is! ;D 216.204.206.155 (talk) 12:51, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link! Yves (talk) 04:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added it to the compilations, because I haven't found anywhere that calls it an EP. It is a compilation of previously released songs, though none of them have appeared on a previous CD. It's also not like the other EPs, where it accompanies a specific episode. Yves (talk) 05:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Order

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Usually in discogs, the first chart listed is the where the artists are from. Since Glee is an American-based show, shouldn't US come first? Candyo32 15:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've considered that, but this is the discography for the cast of the series, and since two of main cast members are Canadian (Monteith and Gilsig), I figured it wouldn't be representative to have the US first. Yves (talk) 17:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But then again, it's really not about the individuals them self, because the representing a show which is American, since all singles are credited to as "Glee Cast", maybe it would be different if they singled out the artists performing it. Candyo32 22:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's the thing, though. I think it'd be incorrect and misleading to label the Glee Cast "American". The first sentence already notes the cast as American. Yves (talk) 22:43, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
apl.de.ap of The Black Eyed Peas is Filipino but in their featured list, US is listed first because they are US-based. Candyo32 00:45, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The TV series is American, so the US should be listed first. I always wondered why they weren't. I didn't know there were Canadian cast members - but that shouldn't matter, they're US-based and it's a US show. –AnemoneProjectors– 08:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone else's thoughts? Candyo32 13:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Top 200 Glee Singles (UK)

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For songs outside the top 100, this site posts when songs are new (or re-enter) the UK charts. http://www.ukmix.org/ forums/viewtopic.php?t=22432&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2450

It's almost certain that these are the singles' peak positions in the UK as no Glee single has climbed in the UK for 2011 and the Glee episodes aren't repeated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harkinson (talk • contribs) 01:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really like the way UK chartings are listed as far as the top 200 when other countries are only listed as far as the top 100. Seems like we're using two different standards, and also can be misleading because it seems like UK sales are far more prominent than they actually are when compared to other countries. Similarly, it can give the impression that no singles from other countries have peaked between 101 and 200, which I'm sure is not the case.Weirdtheory (talk) 00:15, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's a cogent point. I've never been sure why we go above 100 for singles, which is the top we give for other charts. (Albums are different: Billboard goes to 200, and I'd go with that if necessary; there's already one album that topped out in the 120s in France.) Are the over-100 numbers regularly published or counted in the media? Is it notable? Here in the US, anything after the top 100 is not considered notable. Is that UK chart usually published as a top 200 in other media? The friendly web interfaces to the chart (as opposed to the CLUK update we source to get the three-digit numbers) usually cuts off at 75. I'd like to hear an argument for keeping the UK at 200: just because the data can be found doesn't mean it ought to be published. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Warblers Album

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I think you are gonna wanna see this: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/08/glees-dalton-warblers-to-release-their-very-own-album/. The trakc are in this youtube clip, but im sure they're everywhere as well... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bAwIU_5MHw

New EP?

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I noticed the Love Songs EP in the EP section of the article. Is anyone absolutely sure of this? As far as I know, no Love Songs EP has been released. Also, there is no article for it nor has it been added in the Glee box.Kanavb (talk) 09:44, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's a Target exclusive compilation, with half a dozen songs that were earlier released as singles/tracks on the soundtrack albums, so it never made any chart impact. Its not really a notable release, hence the lack of an article. There did used to be a page on it on gleethemusic.com, but it seems to have been removed from the site, so I'll go and change the reference over now. Frickative 15:12, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, nope, I just didn't look hard enough, it's still there :). Frickative 15:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! It's clear to me now! Kanavb (talk) 09:03, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article is inconsistent as to how it treats this EP. It's listed in the season tables, both on its own—no, I take that back: someone deleted it from the EP table three days ago (why?)—and for the six individual songs that appear on it, but it's not included in the count of EPs at the top or mentioned in the header info. It's a limited edition, yes? I'd be happy to make all consistent—I think listing it is the way to go—but wanted more experienced hands to weigh in first. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It should be listed. I was not aware it had been removed. CycloneGU (talk) 22:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's back. I undid the edit that deleted it. I then did some editing so it and the Journey to Regionals EP are mentioned in the header info, since they're the only two that weren't. If I went overboard on the charting info on the latter, please reduce as appropriate. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas songs

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The "other" songs from the Christmas album that charted are referred to as "non-episode singles". ...But, they're not. They're only on that album. There were no singles! :P I think we should call it "non-episode songs" or "non-episode tracks". :) 75.68.52.240 (talk) 19:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Last Christmas" was a 2009 single. "Welcome Christmas" was a 2010 single NOT on the Christmas album (this one had me wondering in December what happened for a moment, too). The other songs that were not singles are charted already under "Other charted songs". There is no problem with the layout at present. CycloneGU (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

US Bubbling Under Chart

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I was wondering why this chart information cannot be added. It is my understanding that the Bubbling Under chart as of Dec. 5, 1992 is compiled in the same manner (using Soundscan & BDS)as the Hot 100 and in essence is a continuation of the next 25 positions of that chart. Also Bubbling Under positions are allowed on other discographies such as those of Elvis Presley, The Beatles & Elton John. Any explanation would be appreciated.Antguer77 (talk) 00:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As it's for songs that haven't made the top 100, then surely the positions 1-25 in the Bubbling Under Chart aren't necesserily the equivalent of 101-125. Songs that have dropped from the top 100 may have sold more than songs that haven't yet reached the top 100. At least that's my take on it, and to me is a good reason not to include it. There may be other reasons. –AnemoneProjectors– 11:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Given that some Bubbling Under data was added to the list today, which I am reverting, I think it's important to reiterate this point: Bubbling Under songs are the ones that are climbing toward the Hot 100, and do not include those that have just fallen off it, even though they may rate higher than these up-and-comers. As AnemoneProjectors notes, it's not the equivalent of Hot 100 101–125; we're dealing with charts with different criteria, and we have heretofore been only including Hot 100 songs for the US singles. We can discuss the matter further in this topic, but unless a consensus emerges to change, we should stick with the Hot 100 only. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I agree that the bubbling under data should not be put as 101-125 because that chart is calculated differently. But I don't think that it should be excluded. From what I understand, featured discographies like 50 Cent discography and Usher discography write the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart data as a foot note. Importing that format into the Glee Cast discography may be tricky because Glee Cast has a really large number of bubbling under singles and that would become a huge bulk of text though. Maine12329 (talk) 13:42, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Non-episode, non-album singles

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Where should these go? Both "Santa Baby" and "I Want You Back" need to be included somewhere in this article, because they are Glee singles, and they have been released, even though they were not included in an episode. The fact that they were released as Glee Cast singles should be sufficient to mandate their inclusion.

As they aren't in an episode, putting them within a season seems odd and artificial, because they weren't actually a part of that season, they just appeared during the time the season aired. ("Last Christmas" always struck me as weirdly placed, since it was a non-episode single when it was released, and then later included on an album and even later in an episode.) If we create a new home for "Santa Baby" and "I Want You Back", then perhaps "Last Christmas" should be included as the first item in that section.

I initially thought to expand the remit of the "Other charted songs" section to "Other charted songs and singles" so as to include these two songs, since it seemed a bit of a catchall section. If that's the wrong thing to do—and my attempt was reverted—then "and singles" needs to be removed from the header.

The only remaining possibility I can think of is that we start a new section for non-episode, non-album singles. Thoughts? Other ideas? BlueMoonset (talk) 00:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not arguing against a new section, but I think singles - whether from an episode or not - all ought to go in the Singles section. Historically, Wikipedia-wise, songs that are NOT singles and have charted despite this are given their own section exclusively; see Beyoncé Knowles discography for an example featuring a mammoth sixteen such entries. Taylor Swift discography and Eminem discography are also excellent examples. Sure, they are not any kind of television series themselves, but following the guidelines within the music element, we must match as least this part of the layout and put these other singles in the appropriate section for released singles if they are in fact singles.
With that said, "Last Christmas" was included in the 2009 section while a promotional non-episode single; there is no problem with sticking in these songs where they are released. But any song not hitting the charts should not be in "Other charted songs". Period. CycloneGU (talk) 02:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Good point about Singles vs. Other charted songs sections being the primary division for individual songs. I've created a new "Non-episode singles" subsection and placed it after Season 3; I figure it can keep sliding down and stay at the bottom of the Singles section no matter how many seasons the show ends up having. I did include citations of singleness for each of the two songs. I'll worry about "Last Christmas" in the morning, though as noted I've always thought it looked odd placed as it was between "Mattress" and "Sectionals", and would probably be inclined to move it now that there's a more suitable place for it. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:07, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved. The comments in support of the move are far stronger in terms of policy than those in oppisition, therefore the consensus is to move. Jenks24 (talk) 12:19, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Glee Cast discography → Glee discography – This is concise and unambiguous. If we really want to have an extra word in there, the capitalization should at least be Glee cast discography. --BDD (talk) 19:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. If the proposer had done any homework at all, it would be obvious that this is a bad idea. "Glee Cast" is the credited name of the group everywhere: for sales at iTunes and Amazon, and on all the charts from Billboard to the UK, Australia, etc.: that's what should govern here in a discography of said group. I also oppose the proposed lowercasing of "Cast": it's Foo Fighters discography, not Foo fighters discography, so let's keep Glee Cast, their proper group name in this context, capitalized as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a concrete entity known as "Glee Cast," we don't recognize it. Glee Cast redirects to Characters of Glee#Casting. It makes sense for crediting in circumstances where there's usually the name of a band or individual singer, but we're under no such constraints. --BDD (talk) 21:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose since they are credited as "Glee Cast". –AnemoneProjectors– 21:19, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose agree with the notions of BlueMoonset and AnemoneProjectors. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 19:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I agree with BlueMoonset about "Glee Cast" being the credited name, but looking at news from Billboard and L.A. Times, which writes about the Glee Cast, they pretty much always go around it like saying they're the ["Glee" cast] or [the cast of 'Glee] etc. I think the current name is fine with Glee being italicized and not for Cast. The Glee Cast isn't like Foo Fighters name-wise and there is ambiguity around it, but I suppose how it is now is just as fine. Maine12329 (talk) 07:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support at the risk of flogging a dead horse. Glee cast is not a proper noun as far as I can see, rather it (or rather the capitalisation of it Andrewa (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)) is a publisher's affectation similar to that found on some trademarks and we don't follow those capitalisations, see WP:TM. So it should either be in normal case or, preferably, just shortened as proposed. The proposed title is adequately precise, easily recognised and unambiguous; The existing one implies that there is some organisation which has an existence independent of the show, and it ain't. Andrewa (talk) 06:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per BlueMoonset. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support "Glee Cast" is no proper noun, as Andrewa has stated. "Glee discography" conveys the information just fine. Hekerui (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Possible inclusion of Bubbling Under charts hidden in Notes section?

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Hello~ I'd had liked to get some feedback on a table I've recently started working on and see if there's any opinions on it. While there is more or less of a consensus that Bubbling Under peaks are not to be listed in the US section as an extension, it's still valid to be included in the Notes section. I know that the table I'm working on isn't fully referenced yet but I am trying to get individual references since Billboard's aggregate reference doesn't work as Glee has too many songs that charted. Not trying to start anything, just hoping to improve the article. ⊾maine12329⊿ talks✿wiki 15:43, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It most definitely would improve the article in my opinion. The table seems to work nicely. Robin (talk) 21:57, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

590 singles? Where does that number come from?

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The page currently lists the Glee cast as having 590 singles. However, I think that number might be false. Indeed, if one adds up the singles listed on this page, it adds up a much lesser number. There are 89 singles listed for the first season, 111 for the second one, 125 for the third, 78 currently listed for the 4th (although cross-referencing with List of songs in Glee (season 4), it appears an additional 28 songs were left out (it appears the table simply wasn't updated for the last few episodes), bringing the total to 106), 5 currently listed for the 5th season (although List of songs in Glee (season 5) lists an additional 5 songs) and 2 non-episode singles. These numbers already account for the triple release of Defying Gravity and the double releases of both Bring Him Home and Don't Cry for Me Argentina.

Now, 89 + 111 + 125 + 78 + 28 + 5 + 5 + 2 = 443, 147 singles less than the number currently listed in the article. I realize that what I've presented here might be considered original research and thus cannot be included in the article, but is there a specific source for the 590 number? --LeoChris (talk) 02:50, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect someone might have confused "singles" with the actual number of songs they've sung. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 11:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Back-Up Plan EP

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The EP was released but isn't listed here. [1] Maybe there are others which aren't listed as well. Artmanha (talk) 01:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added the EP myself following no responses. Artmanha (talk) 20:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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An uninvited problem

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BlueMoonset: As it stands, the two rows with Uninvited and Problem are broken - what fix do you recommend?--Launchballer 19:14, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the two songs. They're from season 6, so they don't belong in a season 5 table, and there's no evidence they were released separately as singles during season 6; music was typically released as a digital EP for each episode; there would need to be a source showing separate release as a single or charting as one to appear in a table. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:34, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposed split

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This article is ridiculously large. With hundreds of singles and tons of albums, I'd say there's more than enough for separate "Glee albums discography" and "Glee singles discography" pages. I suggest these be made in similar fashions to Mariah Carey albums discography, Mariah Carey singles discography, Madonna albums discography, and Madonna singles discography. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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