Talk:Game of Thrones season 7/Archive 1

Archive 1

Lead

Per WP:LEAD, the article lead should serve as a summarization of the content that follows, that is all that the lead section is in the article currently. References from reputable sources are used in the respective sections, and includes only information about the forthcoming season that has been published in news sources. Also, the insistence of removing a color scheme seems to be more of an WP:OWNERSHIP issue, given that at least the previous season's article, the only one I looked at before writing this, had a color scheme for its infobox before any promotional material existed to base that color scheme on. Calibrador (talk) 10:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

On the other hand, if the basis for the lead is based on past season's articles, I wouldn't be as opposed to it. As of now, this excuse of not putting speculation, that is sourced, in the lead seems like evidence of some type of WP:Ownership issues. Calibrador (talk) 10:28, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

One more thing, I looked back at all the other season's articles, before promotional material, and they did have a color scheme that was not the default infobox color. Calibrador (talk) 10:35, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

What good does it do? There's nothing to base the colour on, no releases, no posters, no promotional material, it allows for anyone to just come by and change the colour as they wish. There's nothing wrong with the default colour until a specific colour can be connected to the season. And be very careful when you start throwing around accusations of WP:OWN - that can get you reported. Realistically, it's way too early to even have this article existing outside of a draft. Alex|The|Whovian^? 14:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

What good does it do to have the default color? If it weren't true for past articles, I really would not care, but you seem to just want to be contrarian for no apparent reason. Calibrador (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Name the source where you got the #00008B colour from, and explain your reasons as to why you removed my notes on the documentation of the template. You accuse me of edit-warring when you're doing exactly the same. Alex|The|Whovian^? 14:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The notes I do not oppose. And what was the source for using orange for the fifth season infobox? And if you revert once more, you have violated WP:3RR. Calibrador (talk) 14:14, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

And yet you removed them. Explain. Again: This article should not yet exist in the namespace. It is to be moved to a draft. Alex|The|Whovian^? 14:16, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome to re-add the notes, otherwise I will. And there are plenty of reliable sources in the article that refer specifically to the seventh season, with multiple aspects of the season being discussed, including production, filming locations, writing, season length, casting negotiations, all the same things that existed when the previous season's article was allowed to exist. I get the feeling if you had created the article you would have no problem with allowing its existence. Calibrador (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Accusations, accusations, accusations. I would not have created this article from scratch without sufficient content. This discussion is getting nowhere if you refuse to be civil. Alex|The|Whovian^? 14:19, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know, I have not been uncivil. You ignored reliable sources being present in the article in reputable news sources. At what point should the article be created by your standard? Until the season is airing, it is all likely to be speculation. Compared to last season's article, it is only a few weeks difference. Calibrador (talk) 14:25, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Could you please comment with what the difference is between the season 7 article, and this article? Calibrador (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I'll help you out on that, Calibrador. The reason is that all the pretty colors, without a damn fine reason for having them, only slows down the load time for the article. I've always favored a more monochromatic approach to this, but there is room for color if it can be easily supported by theme colors from the show (like red and gold for The Flash, etc.). Without that support, we are exercising our artistic tendencies at the cost of those who don't get to view Wikipedia from a Smartphone or a great monitor. People all over the world look at the English version (even those who have Wikipedia in their language). - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:47, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd like a response from User:AlexTheWhovian to my earlier comment. Calibrador (talk) 02:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd like a date with Natalie Portman. We don't always get what we want. Why don't you ask around. Ask some more experienced editors. Ask some admins. Ask at Project TV. They will likely all tell you precisely the same thing, since you seem to have trouble accepting dissenting opinion from the two of us. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:01, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Same goes for articles like this one. Seems to be a double standard. Calibrador (talk) 02:55, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

WP:OSE is rarely a suitable argument. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:01, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Noting User:AlexTheWhovian has participated in either the creation, or contributed to other upcoming season articles with similar or less references available. Perhaps their newly acquired file mover rights should be revoked, as that seems to be an abuse of power. Also noting my request for comment on their talk page was removed, with them stating they did not want to discuss anything with me. Calibrador (talk) 03:17, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict):I suggested that this is a by-product of editing the way that you do - some people are eventually going to refuse to edit with you, when you treat them poorly. And mayb ei am wrong, but suggesting that they should be penalized for not interacting with you in the way that you want is perhaps not the best way to foster the sort of trust and camaraderie that makes editors want to edit with you. Editing in Wikipedia is supposed to be fun; you don't necessarily make editing fun, or anything approaching rewarding.

Now, you are in the discussion with me, and I know full well how you operate. I do not think that there is any justification for any color scheme that isn't part of the primary color palette for the season. Of course, if you disagree, you should most definitely initiate an RfC on the matter, or ask at Project TV or something. I've stated my opinion. If you think something else, you can either state it here, pointing out why you think your view is better. Otherwise, request outside assistance. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? File mover has nothing to do with this. It's for renaming images. Any editor can move a page. Now I know that all you're doing is reaching for straws. Contribute to the discussion with a worthwhile post. Alex|The|Whovian^? 03:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I have yet to see you contribute to the discussion with a worthwhile post since my request for comment linking to the season 6 article where you were shown editing it, without any qualms over an infobox color, which is the least of my concerns, or moving the article to draft space, despite being similar in length and similar in reputable sources. Calibrador (talk) 03:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Casting

This is going to be similar to what I said on the season 6 article talk page (see here, my second comment), but I'm going to reiterate it here. We don't need to mentioning every single little piece of casting we find and add it to the Casting section as "[actor] will play [character]", it's completely redundant of the Cast section. More importantly, we shouldn't be listing these seemingly unnotable actors (no Wikipedia articles) playing very minor roles in which we're citing their resume or the actor's agency as a source, which is not acceptable and doesn't meet notability. We need to stick to notable actors (or roles) being cast as announced by media sources (not resumes or fansites). The series has a cast of thousands and we don't know what roles will actually be notable when the season airs, so we can't just be listing every Tom, Dick and Harry we see. I'm specifically referring to the recent additions of the actors Joseph Quinn, Rory Dignam, Brendan Morrissey and Paul Ward. They should be removed. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Drovethrughosts, I agree that listing every cast member is unnecessary, I only added them because I thought they were relevant to the page, and the cast list is a bit short right now. I expanded the casting section, since it was not that much written in it compared to the other seasons. But I think that listing and adding the recasting of Dickon Tarly with Tom Hopper as the new actor in both the cast and casting section is necessary. Twotimer17 (talk) 20:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

The recasting is perfectly fine, it's the unnotable roles and actors that I mentioned above that need to go. If you agree, I'll remove them. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Twotimer17 How do you define unnecessary info?

You just deleted the info I had added. Why? Your reason says it was unnecessary... according to whom? Before arbitrarily deleting content added by another editor, is it not good practice to discuss it and get consensus? (What info did I add that was already in the article??)

Earlier (in July) HBO had released a teaser for Season 7 but this video (readily available on-line) showed only how the craftspeople worked on the series.

removed unnecessary information and already added info Latest revision as of 23:49, 19 December 2016 Twotimer17 Peter K Burian (talk) 23:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

That info is already in the text. - AffeL (talk) 09:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Release date

[1] "The release date of "Game of Thrones" Season 7 has been confirmed and is set to come out on June 25, 2017." Reliable source? Alex|The|Whovian^? 00:49, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

No, that site just looks like another one of those third-rate entertainment websites that just takes content done by actual reputable sources. It appears they're just using IMDb (which lists June 25, 2017, as the air date for the season 7 premiere) as the source for it. The premiere date will come from HBO, nowhere else. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:33, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

There's another rumor that the series will premiere in July [2] (per Liam Cunningham) but it could be just that, another rumor.Yojimbo1941 (talk) 19:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Liam Cunningham is only guessing when it will come out. As you can see from the quote. He says, "It's July now, I think". - AffeL (talk) 19:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely agree, I just mentioned it as another example of a non-reputable source. Also, man, July is a ways off. I want that to be false.Yojimbo1941 (talk) 21:40, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah.. Obviously we all want to see it as soon as possible. I just can't wait for the first trailer. - AffeL (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Ditto. Kind of surprised that a trailer hasn't popped up yet at this point, although I would imagine that trailers are mostly used to generate hype, which this season has in spades.Yojimbo1941 (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

We need to start a Season 8 article

Quite a bit of info has been released about Season 8 by HBO; I have no idea how to start a new article. Hope someone here does:

The phenomenal "Game of Thrones" series may soon come to its end after HBO confirmed that Season 8 will be its last. HBO programming president, Casey Bloys revealed that there's an ongoing talks for a possible prequel of "Game of Thrones." Brainstorming between Bloys and show creator George R.R Martin regarding "Game of Thrones" prequel ideas is still in progress, as reported by News Everyday. The showrunners told Variety, Season 7 will comprise seven episodes while season 8 will only have six. The short run will allow them to spend more time on each episode and sustain the creative delivery given the minimal amount of story content remaining.

http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/27366/20161123/game-thrones-prequel-possible-start-hbo-season-8.htm

HBO Confirms ‘Game of Thrones’ Will End With Eighth Season http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-eighth-season-ending-1201827129/

Peter K Burian (talk) 23:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Peter K Burian, It's way to early to have a season 8 article. Season 7 is 6 months away, and we don't have enough information to create the article. We don't know any of the plot, who is going to be in it, where and when they are gonna film the season, how many confirmed episodes, writers and directors etc. The information you have written here can be added to the main page for Game of Thrones but not in a solo article just for season 8. Wait until after season 7 has aired! Twotimer17 (talk) 23:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Game of Thrones (season 8) has been created. Episodes has been confirmed, who will write which episode and more. - AffeL (talk) 11:53, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The information at Draft:Game of Thrones (season 8) is more than enough now. Should i go and request it to be moved from draft to it's own page? - AffeL (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, no it's not enough, the writers are not sourced and no actor has been confirmed to appear. The article's nothing more than a stub. There's no rush to put the article into the mainspace, just wait until Season 7 has actually aired! TedEdwards (talk) 17:46, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

When the season 7 article was created it had much less information than this one. The information is far from stub and it's more than enough. Also I have already reguested a move. - AffeL (talk) 18:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Plus the writers are sourced, check the article before you comment. - AffeL (talk) 18:34, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, the source showing who the writers are isn't on the episode table, where it should be. But my point still stands, there is no rush to put the article in the mainspace. TedEdwards (talk) 20:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Done. Their is no rush and their is no reason why not to put it on the mainspace. - AffeL (talk) 20:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Its a stub, and the articles going to be a stub for a long time. Stubs should not exist for long periods of time. That's why it shouldn't be put on the mainspace. TedEdwards (talk) 20:56, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

How is it a stub. It contains as almost as much information as this article. Only cast and directors are missing. The seventh season article looked like this when it was created(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Game_of_Thrones_(season_7)&diff=727371724&oldid=727365726) How is this any different. The article has a production section with crew, writing, filming, episodes and music. That's more than enough. At the moment its a C class article. Maybe you should do some research about what stub is. - AffeL (talk) 21:03, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I suggest you read Wikipedia:WikiProject A Song of Ice and Fire/Assessment. So you see what stub articles look like. - AffeL (talk) 21:05, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

It's not as if the draft is piling with info, there are only 11 sources. That is not a lot. And anyway, filming for season 8 doesn't start for another 6 months, it's going to be a long time until you get any meaningful, veriable info. TedEdwards (talk) 21:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

12 sources are again more than enough. Most stubs article don't even have source or just one source. Lots of meaningful stuff are in the article. - AffeL (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with TedEdwards. Nowhere near enough content for a separate article in the main namespace just yet, it's just a gathering of some titbits of information. -- Alex^TW 23:05, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Anthony Appleyard in the above discussion. There's nowhere near enough content for a separate article just yet, so it should remain in the draft namespace. The above ongoing discussion about whether to move should conclude first before the page is moved. -- Alex^TW 23:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

• A few minutes ago I obeyed a request to move Draft:Game of Thrones (season 8) to Game of Thrones (season 8). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Leak

As episodes 1 and 2 accord with the leaked plot [[3]] (October 2016), I assume that the rest is correct as well.

Not sure what you're looking for with this? -- Alex^TW 13:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I think they are trying to say that the leak is correct, and perhaps should be mentioned in the article? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, the second part of my entry didn't show up. So, should it be mentioned? 87.188.17.183 (talk) 13:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

No, as it's not a reliable source. Yes, they may know some of the details as to what's going on, but adding it won't further the understanding of anything in this article. -- Alex^TW 13:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to add on to this. Recently an IP keeps adding unsourced writers claiming the exact same thing, that the episode they were editing was "leaked" before it aired. Might I suggest semi-protection if this persists? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 19:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2017

On August 15, 2017, five days before its intended release, it was reported that HBO Spain AND HBO NORDIC had accidentally aired the sixth episode of the series Abduba (talk) 15:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

The information has already been added to the article, see Game of Thrones (season 7)#Illegal distribution. Drovethrughosts (talk) 15:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Reliable sources from mass media newspapers, citing official HBO Media Representatives have been added to the article. The episode was not leaked but officially aired unintentionally on the early morning of August 16th on Spain and Nordic Europe. Stop changing the release date to August 20th, that date is not true any longer. Felipealvarez (talk) 21:24, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Per Chairhandlers' explantion in the Game of Thrones (season 7) revert, it was not fully aired, as is no longer available. Therefore not making this the official airing, regardless of the fact it was partially released. — IVORK _Discuss 21:31, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Don't be so close-minded. There is life outside the USA. The episode was fully aired and officially available, therefore making August 16th the official release date from HBO, regardless it was unexpected and not a Worldwide release, and regardless the episode is not available any longer. Films and products that have been discontinued, they had still a release date in the past. 194.69.224.14 (talk) 07:56, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Please be aware of the WP:CONSENSUS held by the Television WikiProject. Details are not added about an episode until it is officially released by its parent network and company in its origin country. If this were a series of any other nationality, the exact same would apply. -- Alex^TW 08:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Both me and Alex reside in the country that pirates this series more than any other, but per above, a consensus was achieved m8e. — IVORK _Discuss 08:43, 17 August 2017 (UTC)