Talk:G. R. Pantouw

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 09:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that G. R. Pantouw supported the State of East Indonesia because he wanted to push the Netherlands into abandoning colonialism?

• Source: "Pantouw was fully aware that the NIT was widely regarded as a Dutch puppet. But he was determined to turn it into a tool to push the Dutch into ending their colonialism." ("From the Parliament to the Streets: The State of East Indonesia, 1946–1950", pp. 205–206)

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Created by Kaythehistorian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kaythehistorian (talk) 01:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC).

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 00:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - There’s a lot of close paraphrasing, and there are some examples and suggestions:
• Ref 2: “During the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies, Pantouw was active in the Syukai Gi In organization in Makassar. Following the end of Japanese rule and the proclamation of Indonesian independence, the organization changed its name to Source of the People's Blood (Sumber Darah Rakyat, Sudara).”
• Article: “During the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies, Pantouw was active in the Syukai Gi In organization in Makassar. Following the end of Japanese rule and the proclamation of Indonesian independence, the organization changed its name to Source of the People's Blood (Sumber Darah Rakyat, Sudara)”
• Suggestion: “Pantouw later joined another organization in Makassar, Syukai Gi In, which later became Sudara (Sumburan Darah Rakyat, lit. "Source of the People's Blood") after the end of the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies.”
• Ref 3: “Together with Ratulangi, Najamuddin Daeng Malewa and other Republicans, he had been active in various organizations in Sulawesi such as Source of the People’s Blood (Sumber Darah Rakyat, Sudara) and the Party of Popular Sovereignty (Partai Kedaulatan Rakyat, pkr). But eventually he came to the conclusion that nothing could be achieved through such organizations. He therefore joined the NIT together with Malewa, cooperated with the Dutch, and became minister of information in the first cabinet of the NIT. His main concern was to tackle the many social problems confronting the Indonesian people due to the Japanese colonial rule and the Allied bombings. Pantouw was fully aware that the NIT was widely regarded as a Dutch puppet. But he was determined to turn it into a tool to push the Dutch into ending their colonialism. Pantouw argued that it was impossible for the Republic of Indonesia – which had no power, no army and no weapons in this part of Indonesia – to fight the Dutch effectively.
• Article: “Pantouw, together with other nationalists including Sam Ratulangi and Nadjamuddin Daeng Malewa, were active in Sudara as well as the Party of Popular Sovereignty (Partai Kedaulatan Rakyat, PKR). However, he came to the conclusion that nothing could be achieved through such organizations. He, together with Malewa, therefore chose to cooperate with the Dutch. Both Pantouw and Malewa joined the first cabinet of the Dutch-backed State of East Indonesia (Negara Indonesia Timur, NIT). The latter became prime minister, while the former became minister of information. Pantouw's main concern was to tackle the many social problems confronting the Indonesian people. He was aware that the NIT was seen by many simply as a Dutch puppet state. But he was determined to turn the state into a tool to push the Dutch into ending colonialism. Pantouw argued that it was impossible for the newly proclaimed Republic of Indonesia — which had no power, no army, and no weapons in this part of the country — to fight the Dutch effectively, thus joining the NIT was a necessary step given the political situation.”
• Suggestion: “Despite being active in organizations like Sudara and the People's Sovereignty Party, he decided to collaborate with the Dutch government after realizing an inability to achieve much with the former, and he joined the first cabinet of the Dutch-backed State of East Indonesia (NIT) as minister of information, under the leadership of prime minister Nadjamuddin Daeng Malewa, also a fellow nationalist. Despite being aware of the NIT’s reputation as a puppet state, he was determined to not only address Indonesian people's social concerns, but also to pressure the Dutch into decolonization, arguing that "it was impossible for the newly proclaimed Republic of Indonesia — which had no power, no army, and no weapons in this part of the country — to fight the Dutch effectively".”
• More suggestions: Remove “As a member of Jong Minahasa“ as redundant and replace with “and”, and replace “participated” with “stood” or “ran”.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - Clarify that the SEI is a Dutch puppet state, without which this hook wouldn’t be interesting enough, and we got ourselves a deal.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: 2942 B and nom one day after creation. Ref 2 has “/wiki/” in the URL, but it’s more of a technical aspect since the Encyclopedia of Indonesian History has an editorial staff. Fix the issues and you’re good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Miraclepine: Just finished re-writing the "early life" and "independence struggle" sections, is it suitable now? As for the hook itself how about: "...that G. R. Pantouw supported the Dutch puppet state of East Indonesia because he wanted to push the Netherlands into abandoning colonialism?" Kaythehistorian (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Kaythehistorian: Almost everything is good, except:

• Change "during the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies. The organization changed its name" to -> "before it changed its name"; redundant since the next sentence is already clear he remained in Sudara around the time he collaborated with a post-war puppet regime; also this helps fix a close-paraphrasing issue, and it helps if you look at WP:POSA.
• Change "was the best way" to "was essential"; the former implies there were other options even though the source doesn't make such seem as obvious as the latter.
• Fix the "210–1" to "211–2"; I checked the source and I assume it's probably a mistake, just like "re-establish" (a minor grammar issue I fixed myself).

Fix these and only these and I'll approve ALT0a. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Miraclepine: Done. Kaythehistorian (talk) 05:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Kaythehistorian: Well in this case, ALT0a. ミラP@Miraclepine 14:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)