Talk:Futari Ecchi

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Should this article not be expanded? I think it could be very more informative. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.162.35.74 (talk • contribs) .

Episodes, etc.

"Volume" (as indicated by the infobox) refers to a tankōbon. The article clearly states that it is referring to episodes in a magazine (which might be collected into a tankōbon); in insisting on changing to "volumes" Duane543 (talk · contribs) removed the reference to the magazine, without explanation.

The main point is that this article is in English, and shoulkd be understandable by a reader without special knowledge. "Volume" is clearly incorrect here; if the word is used incorrectly by manga fans, then thsat might be mentioned, but the information should be given using correct English. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Did you even look at link I put in the edit summary? If you did, you would see that the are chapters of the series in the magazine. After so many chapters, they are combined to make a tankōbon (which "is a is the Japanese term for a compilation volume of a particular series" [from the tankōbon actual article]. Since tankōbon is a Japanese term, it is easier for the casual reader to understand volume. Tankōbon are not part of magazine, but are the compilation of the chapters already published in the magazine and sold separately. This is the reason I removed reference to the magazine to remove confusion. 33 or now 34 is the volume number or in this case it's goes by Diary or Part by the Author (see Here). If you still do not believe me, please feel free to contact some like User:WhisperToMe, who is a wiki administrator and edits Anime and Manga articles. (Duane543 14:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC))

"Volume" in English doesn't mean "tankōbon", and the use of the term without explanation is therefore at best obscure, at worst misleading. Why not edit the artiicle so that it's clear, rather than insisting on a misleading term which entails the removal of information? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, volumes are never released in magazines anyway. Volumes are compiled and sold in bookstores. Chapters are released in magazines. You may mention a number of chapters and/or state that they were later compiled in three volumes. Now, a tankōbon is a standard-sized type of a volume sold in Japanese bookstores (they are the ones converted in English translations, etc.) - Other compilations with larger volumes use different names. Anyway, as for "The main point is that this article is in English, and shoulkd be understandable by a reader without special knowledge. "" - All he has to do is link to "tankobon" and the reader may click the link and see the page. WhisperToMe 02:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

There should be more than just a link; the English-speaking reader has to be informed that "volume" here doesn't mean what it normally means. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

What does volume mean to you in it's current context. I think it perfectly clear that it's the definition: "one book of a related set or series"(from dictionary.com ). Anyway I going to do what WhisperToMe suggested. (Duane543 14:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC))

I think that you're letting your knowledge of the area blind you to what non-knowledgeable people would understand. The idea that a volume is a collection of episodes republished together is not at all obvious. The current version is fine, though — thanks. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think you are selling the casual readers short if you do not think they could not understand meaning of volume in the context of a sentence. The word volume used in this context is not that rare when speaking of media. Some examples would be music, physical encyclopedias, DVD's box sets, ect... So it is not just manga. Also you made a mistake in your last message, manga are divided into chapters not episodes. (Duane543 01:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

1. I didn't understand it; in the context it was very unclear.
2. "Volume", without qualification, is rarely if ever used in this way. Encyclopædias and other multi-volume works, yes — but that's a different meaning in a specific context.
3. The infobox uses "episode". Again, the term is being used in a non-standard way in this context; you mustn't assume that non-fans will know the jargon. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

First, I assume the reason you misunderstood volume is because the magazine what still in the sentence. Secondly, The manga tankōbon is the Japanese volume, since most manga series are multi-volume works (like 34 for for this article so far). Thirdly, you are looking at the wrong info box section. In the manga section it is labeled "No. of volume" and is linked to tankōbon article. Your looking at the OVA section which if you clicked on the link, you would find that it is an anime that is strait to video (or Dvd) release. I can not understand why you are against the word volume. It is used by other editors in the manga infobox section and is even used in the tankōbon article. In the context of a sentence, I would not think people be confused with volume other meaning of the measurement of mass. If you feel so strongly against the use of the word volume, why not go to their talk pages of the above examples to see if the other editors think it is difficult to understand. (Duane543 15:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

You assume that I've looked at lots of (or any) other articles in this area; I haven't. If they also use words misleadingly, then that's a problem certainly. I can only assure you that a native speaker – espcially one who isn't already an expert on this area – would misunderstand the term in this context unless it was explained. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary, I could tell that you have not looked at other articles in this area. By the way, I do not consider by myself an expert, but I do like to familiarizes myself with the subject before I edit or revert another's edits. Also, I don't find volume to be misleading when it is in context of a sentence. I could be the minority, but I don't think so since no one has changed the articles or templates that use volume in this context or even talked about changing it. If you can find some feel free to point them out to me. (Duane543 19:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

Comment and Discussion

Volumes vs. tankobons vs. episodes aside, one can read this article and never learn how popular Futari H (FH) is, or that it has extensively translated (there are French, German, and Spanish editions), and that one of its main purposes is entertainment combined with sex education. FH is basically sex education wearing the costume of a sexual soap opera – and it is overtly **intended** as sex education. The Japanese and French editions have extensive sidebars with statistics, advice, and information about sexual behavior and anatomy.

For example, in the opening episodes of the manga, Makoto and Yura try to make love, but both are virgins and completely ignorant of the mechanics and emotions of sexuality. They fumble, they’re embarrassed, but they finally succeed – and the moral comes across loud and clear: sex can be frightening but with good will and love, it can be successful and pleasurable.

The manga and the anime differ somewhat, since the anime lacks the sex educational features of the manga. There have been several spin-off manga by Katsu Aki about Makoto and Yura. The American manga publisher TokyoPop has announced the publication of FH under the title “Manga Sutra” for early 2008. Otherwise, there are no licensed and authorized English-language editions of FH.

I’m putting this on the discussion page *before* I start making changes in the article. I’ll make some changes in about a week or so, so please comment on this if you want to. These changes will center on the introductory paragraph(s).

Here are two references to our own published work about FH.

Cornog, Martha and Timothy Perper 2007 Very Graphic, Graphic Novels. [Review]. Step Up Love Story: Futari Etchi. By Katsu Aki. Japanese edition: Tokyo: Hakusensha, 1997-. French edition: Boulogne: Senpai/Pika Édition, 2004-. Journal of Sex Research, 44(2):218-220.

Perper, Timothy and Martha Cornog (in press) The Education of Desire: Futari Etchi and the Globalization of Sexual Tolerance. Mechademia: An Academic Forum for Anime, Manga and the Fan Arts.

Timothy Perper 04:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, my time frame is way off -- it's going to be a lot longer than a week before I make any concrete suggestions about how this article can be improved. And at that time, I'll make suggestions here on the Talk page first. So, more later. Timothy Perper 04:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Created List of Futari Ecchi chapters. Hope that helps. Grapeofdeath (talk) 07:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Plot summary too long?

I don't understand...where is the plot summary? If it's the short paragraph at the start of the article, then why is it too long? Alphapeta (talk) 08:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yamada Taku "Dumbs" Her Boyfriend?

In the section "Other characters" under Yamada Taku is written (emphasis mine):

Rika's "number-one boyfriend", who is a rather self-centered sexist. And just like Rika, he is not very concerned about having more than one relationship, although he does react jealously when he finds her involved with other men. Eventually, however, Rika dumbs him and settles down.

I assumed that dumbs was supposed to be dumps so I made that change. But I've only read the first couple of volumes so I don't know for certain that dumps is correct even though it seems like an obvious fix. If it's not correct then someone who's read that far along will need to re-correct it. Thanks. --Kitsunegami (talk) 02:54, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

In the same section, it says About Shouji Shiho, "She quiets with Makie." I have no idea what that means. --Kitsunegami (talk) 02:57, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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