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A fact from Franco-Greek defence agreement appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 August 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Franco-Greek defence agreement is the first intra-NATO defensive alliance?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 04:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in 2021 France and Greece signed a defence agreement, stipulating that in the event either country is attacked by a third party the other will come to their defense? Source: https://apnews.com/article/business-paris-athens-middle-east-turkey-a23fe5cd4f4f82aebfa25161d7252a7f

Created by Dainomite (talk). Self-nominated at 03:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General eligibility:
New enough:
Long enough: - Not long enough without quotations

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - Technical language

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: The article itself is off to a decent start. However, there are three issues with this nomination.

The hook is quite lengthy and sounds somewhat technical. I would recommend "...~~stipulating~~ stating that ~~in the event~~ if either country is attacked ~~by a third party~~, the other will come to ~~their~~ its defense?"
The article is only 1284 characters (of prose) long without the lengthy direct quotations of Article 2 and quotation of Turkey's announcement. It would be fine if the article reached 1500 with minor quotes (such as the Turkish announcement), but quoting the entirety of Article 2 is the only thing really bringing this article over 1500 at the moment.
Based on your history with other DYK submissions, you are required to do a quid pro quo review, and I did not see one in your recent edit history or otherwise linked in this template.
Nmarshall25 (talk) 19:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, I like your recommended changes with the hook. I will work tonight on expanding the article to fit the size requirements. I used the "page size" link to the left (under Tools) which must have included those 2 quotes in the size. Oh shoot, I thought it was my 5th DYK. I'll work on getting a QPQ done soon. — dain omite 20:37, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nmarshall25: I believe size requirements should be satisfied now. Just have the QPQ left to tackle. — dain omite 15:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alt Hook

ALT1: ... that in 2021 France and Greece signed a defence agreement, stating that if either country is attacked the other will come to its defense?

Review @Dainomite:

Links to redirects Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Symbols for example "$" (use words) and date format for example "7 Oct 2021" (use full date) Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"[the US] strongly supports Greece's role in creating stability in the region.” - non-standard quotation mark at the end Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Lead is an summary of information in the text, but here is a lot of information mentioned only in the lead especially this quote Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Where there is "publisher" in the references than "website"? You quite website. Reference 2 and 4 has bare link. Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"(...) Macron sought to build an more autonomous defensive posture for Europe less reliant on U.S. protection" - shoudn't be "US"? Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not connected to Wikidata (it was connected by me). Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken some initiative to fix most of the formatting issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both versions of this hook are dull. One would expect two countries reaching a defense agreement to agree to some sort of mutual defense provision like that. This is like saying that "... that water from the XXX River will wet your hands if you touch it?" Daniel Case (talk) 04:47, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Going to try proposing a hook to permit this article to be passed... @Eurohunter and Nmarshall25: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that Turkey criticized Greece's claims of national airspace in a defence agreement with France? [1]

~~delete symbol deleted~~ Seven weeks and still no QPQ? Is it time to close this as unsuccessful? Schwede 66 02:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Reviewer needed to check ALT2 and any other issues raised above; no QPQ is needed. As best I can determine, Schwede66, nominator Dainomite has only three previous DYK nominations, so this would be their fourth of five freebies. (They were also included as "creators" in two nominations by other editors that hit the main page in June 2014, but we now count nominations rather than credits, so they are not included in Dainomite's DYK count.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, ok, BlueMoonset. I had looked at the QPQ tool and that showed five credits. But your analysis is more thorough and thus, all is good. Schwede 66 09:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset the hook is cited. --evrik ^(talk) 21:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: This is Dainomite's fourth nom (although they were previously credited with helping with other DYK noms, another editor nominated those.) ALT1 and 2 are approved. I slightly prefer ALT1 but not bothered. Z1720 (talk) 01:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding a second tick down here because sometime the DYK bot doesn't pick up the tick in the DYK checklist template. Z1720 (talk) 01:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FYI. I would have promoted this, but I haven't been thrilled with the hooks. Sadly, I have no inspiration here. --evrik ^(talk) 19:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to suggest some ALTs below, in order to get this nomination moving:

ALT3: ... that the Franco-Greek defence agreement is the first intra-NATO defensive alliance?
ALT3a: ... that the Franco-Greek defence agreement is the first intra-NATO defensive alliance signed by NATO members?
ALT4: ... that while signing the Franco-Greek defence agreement, Greece announced that it was buying military equipment from France?
ALT5: ... that the Franco-Greek defence agreement was signed two weeks after Australia signed AUKUS and canceled a major military contract with France?
ALT5a: ... that the Franco-Greek defence agreement was signed two weeks after Australia canceled a major military contract with France?

@Dainomite and Evrik: thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 00:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that either 3 or 3A are the best so far. ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evrik (talk • contribs) 02:02, August 5, 2022 (UTC)

@Evrik: Dainomite's last edit was in June, so I'm unsure if they will comment here. Would you be willing to evaluate the above hooks and determine which, if any, are approved? Z1720 (talk) 16:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I approve 3 or 3a. --evrik ^(talk) 17:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding tick to let the preppers know that this is ready, per above. Z1720 (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for the article!.

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 02:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]