Talk:Frances Tiafoe

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Frances Tiafoe/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 14:50, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It contains copyright infringements - Copyvio comes up clean Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Links

No dablinks Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Checklinks brings up a few issues, with a few dead links needing tagging/archiving. Not done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
^ specfically this link [1] Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- That link works for me. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - My mistake, it was my proxy. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Could do with linking publishers with articles in refs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:15, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I added links for the ATP Tour, the New York Times, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo, The Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, and Tennis.com. I could add more if needed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Only the notable publishers. It does just need to be consistent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Lede

" He is the youngest American ranked in the Top 50" - this is an odd first line, as it's only true now. Usually if someone is the youngest, is when they have been the youngest to win a specific title, not just be the youngest player to be in the top 50. Is this of all time, or currently? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Typically, tennis biographies have a statement about the player's current ranking in the first paragraph of the lead. I don't like to use the exact current ranking because that changes every week and looks silly when it is not updated. This statement probably won't change any time soon because the next highest-ranked player younger than him is JJ Wolf at No. 268. If Tiafoe falls out of the Top 50, I would just change it to Top 100. Both of those are common demarcations. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 00:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
widely hyped - Isn't hype a jargon term? "widely regarded" is better. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 00:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
youngest American titlist on the ATP Tour since Andy Roddick in 2002. - Is titlist the right word here? Is "event champion" not a better phrase? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to title-holder. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 00:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Orange Bowl in 2013 at 15 years old, - won the 2013 Orange Bowl. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 00:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Career

Should the first three sections be superseeded by a section simply called "career"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it is easier to find things with more sections rather than sub-sections. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What is ITF? It's not explained before being mentioned. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:05, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
His success at the juniors combined with his unusual upbringing helped him rise to national prominence before he turned pro.[2][3][4][5][6] - Too many cites, almost WP:REFBOMB. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:05, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed two of them. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What's an "Easter Bowl". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:05, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarified that this is a second-tier junior event and the Orange Bowl is one of the highest-tier events. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
With these two big titles, Tiafoe was the top seed at the 2014 French Open junior tournament. However, he was upset in the second round - Combine into one sentence Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He then lost at Wimbledon to the eventual champion Noah Rubin - needs a cite. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
he earned a wild card into the main draw at the US Open.[12] - Should mention that it was the 2015 US Open, rather than leaving ambiguous. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
wikilink wild card Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He lost to Evgeny Donskoy in his first career match - senior career match. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Added tour-level. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink Grand Slam Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"produced excellent results at the Challenger level", " return to the North American hard courts strongly by reaching" - WP:NPOV. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed the first to "produced deep runs". Removed "strongly" from the second. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
defeated Robin Haase in four sets for his first ATP Top 50 win - Is this a win over a top 50 opponent? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, changed to "his first win over an opponent ranked in the Top 50" Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" "prominence after pushing" not exactly NPOV, but the same sort of issue. "Taking" Federer to five sets is slightly less embellished wording. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Along the way, he defeated his idol and world No. 10 Juan Martín del Potro as well as fellow Next Gen players Hyeon Chung and Denis Shapovalov. - needs a distictive cite to say this was his idol. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Repeated the link from the personal life section. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Playing Style

I'd prefer the cites to be against each statement here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
His backhand is also a solid shot - more conversationalist. Should say what people say, or how it's described in speech marks. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I removed this sentence. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coaches

Could Equipment and apparel be a part of playing style or coaches? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Not really. That doesn't make so much sense. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

" getting the victory" - Bad word choice. You either earn a victory, or say De Potro won in a.... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to "winning the match" Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This section could do with a bit of a reorganise. Information on the players family should be first, then about del Potro, then about his sports teams. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I moved the sentence on his brother to the early life and background section. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes & References

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Comments

Hi Sportsfan77777, nice to see you again. I'll be completing this review over the next few days. Word of warning, I know little about tennis itself, and I'm not a big BLP guy, so if I ask any basic questions, please let me know. Good luck! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:52, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Placed on hold. Not too much to do, just the above. A few issues with neutral point of view, but otherwise seems like a great article. I've also done an archive of your sources, to stop WP:LINKROT. I'll keep this open for you to respond to for around a week. Thanks for reading. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:15, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Out of curiosity, how did you do the archiving? Is it manual or automated? Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-automated. You have to set the bot to run (although, it does run automatically across Wikipedia, I believe). https://tools.wmflabs.org/iabot/index.php?page=runbotsingle is the location. You just have to type in the article name, then click " Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)". Alternatively, you can locate to History (on the article that you want to archive) and under external tools: "fix dead links". That will take you to the location of the url above, and even put in the article name for you. Whilst it's hardly something to stop a potential GA nom, it's something I believe all GAs should have done, as it does help to archive. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Lee Vilenski! I addressed everything above. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look through now! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

8 year old coach

Wow! 98.115.35.76 (talk) 04:23, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "first Sierra Leonean American man to be ranked in the top 10 by the ATP" comes off as humorously specific to me

Sierra Leonean Americans make up 0.01% of the US population and only a handful of Americans have ever been ranked in the top 10 by the ATP. Of course he's the first one. This might as well say "he's the first person with the last name Tiafoe to be ranked in the ATP top 10." Like... obviously? Sportscenter kind of stat. Somarain (talk) 18:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is pretty ridiculous. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]