Talk:Former ranks of the Canadian Armed Forces

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The Army insignia illustrated here is mostly farcical. General officers and Brigadiers had their own cap badge, not the General Service badge illustrated.

Officer Cadets wore a white stripe behind the single pip.

Warrant Officer II Class wore a crown and wreath.

Lance Corporal was not a private, and it was not a rank, it was an appointment.

This entire page is filled with errors and should be redone. Michael Dorosh 18:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the air force "Staff SArgeant" be "Flight SErgeant"?

Thank you kindly for the information that you have brought here. I did not have enough information from the former rank system of the Canadian Army before unification, and therefore I used that of the UK.

Therefore I propose this - if you have better images to insert in this page, I would be happy to see them. I do have any problems with anyone placing corrections (as I should not) to this page. Christophe T. Stevenson 16:01, 15 December 2005 (EST)

FORMER RANKS OF THE CDN FORCES

The Able Seaman, Lance Cpl, Leading Aircraftman equal to the CF Cpl.

The L/Seaman, Army Cpl, Air Force Cpl equal to the Master Cpl.

The PO2, Sgt's equal to the CF Sgt.

The PO1, S/Sgt and F/Sgt equal to the CF WO.

Ref: Cdn Army Journal 1965, CF Sentinel and C&E Museum Curator.

The earlier CF rank structure included one stripe without a maple leaf = QL 3. One stripe with maple leaf = QL 4, which was dropped and the QL 3 wore no stripe.

The spelling of the rank of Sergeant has been spelt with the letter "E" since 1957 or possibly earlier. Ref: Cdn Army Manual of Unit Admin and Discipline.

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Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. --dashiellx (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Changes: Navy

As I recall from when I was an OD (long, long time ago now) we used naval ranks within Maritime Command, but on paper we were designated by the official CF ranks - i.e., my pay statements and my 490 had me listed as a Pte. It wasn't until the introduction of DEUs that the Navy finally got naval ranks brought in on the paperwork. This has irritated the artillery, armoured and engineers no end since then, too. 24.68.148.215 (talk) 04:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're partly right. I joined in '72 and there were NO naval ranks in use at that time, a fact that irritated no end of senior naval officers at the time. Naval Captains detested being called "Colonel," as one example. It was also very confusing to our naval allies, as an allied ship would be told, for instance, that "Captain" Bloggins would be coming aboard for some purpose; the ship would lay on all the side-party and ceremonial for a senior officer, only to have a mere two-stripe "hey-you!" Captain (i.e., an Army Captain) come up the gangway--very confusing. That was one of the main reasons that Maritime Command received permission to "use" naval ranks AT SEA around 1975. In 1976, that was expanded to being allowed to use them in naval establishments in Canada. "Use" did NOT extend to CF administration at that time. I was commissioned in 1976 and my commissioning scroll read "Lieutenant," even though I had requested that it read "Sub-Lieutenant." All of my administrative documentation listed me as "Lieutenant." My CD, awarded in 1984, read "Captain...." It was around 1985 that the new Conservative government authorized Maritime Command to be referred to as the "Canadian Navy" (without the "Royal") and full implementation of the naval rank system, along with the distinctive environmental uniforms (DEU). The "Royal" prefix was re-authorized after I retired--as I recall, it was in the late-90s or early-2000s? The "executive curl" in the officer's rank stripes was re-instituted on the occasion of the Navy's 100th birthday, in 2010. Some of this was a result of the way the legislation implementing the CF was originally accomplished and worded: the original three services were "zero-manned" (NOT disbanded) and everyone in the former services were "transferred" into the new Canadian Forces, is my understanding. So the RCN and the RCAF still existed, they were simply "zero-manned." I don't know how they got around the legalities of that conundrum when the allowed the Navy and the Air Force to start using the "Royal" prefix again.

There are many other errors in this article and it could use a complete re-write. Having said that, kudos to the originator for, at least, starting the article and having it as a "placeholder" on the topic. Spartan26 (talk) 04:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The NCO table is completely wrong

If you look at contemporary pre-unification rank comparison charts AND the schedule in section 21 of the National Defence Act, none of them remotely look like the NCO/NCM table created here. This is going to require a major re-write. CU L8R AV8R ... J-P (talk) 12:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]