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Denise Bratherton

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Is this really a famous resident? I could not find any information about her on Google.--Hgebel 12:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.62.217 (talk • contribs) 18:18 BST, 28 May 2007
She's clearly not notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article, and therefore she's not notable enough for a mention here (unless it can be proven otherwise). I've removed the entry. Waggers 21:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Burgate murders

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I've moved the original text of this paragraph here and reduced some of the detail. While these events may merit their own article I felt that the detail overwhelmed an article which is supposed to be about the town.

In September 1986 local man George Stephenson murdered a local family who had sacked him from his handyman job three weeks earlier. Five people were murdered at Burgate House; Joseph and Hilda Cleaver, both 82, their son Thomas, 47, his wife Wendy, 46, and live-in nurse Margaret Murphy, 70. Stephenson, along with John Daly, were later found guilty of the murders and sentenced to life imprisonment. John Daly's brother George was cleared of murder but sentenced to 22 years for rape, robbery and manslaughter. Another multiple murder was uncovered on 26 July 2010 when 4 bodies, including 2 young girls aged 1 and 2, were found dead in their home.[1] The dead people were identified as Andrew Case and his wife Victoria, and their daughters Pheobe and Nereya. Early reports suggested that Andrew Case stabbed his wife and daughters to death before hanging himself.[2]

These deaths have caused Fordingbridge to have a homicide rate about eight times higher than the national average.[citation needed].

Britmax (talk) 08:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If/when this page is created, a useful external link/source is Casefile True Crime Podcast - Case 29: The Burgate House Murders (aired 13 August 2016). The external link is here. JabberJaw (talk) 07:54, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Dinner party mass killer fails to get sentence reduced". ThisIsHampshire.net. 2008-05-17.
  2. ^ "Four Found Dead at Family Home". News Group Newspapers Ltd. 2010-07-26.

Merger proposal

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I propose that Ashford, Dorset be merged with this article. I originally suggested deleting or renaming Ashford, Dorset, as it doesn't actually exist as described - Ashford is actually in Hampshire. However it was suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography that a merger with Fordingbridge might be preferable. Ashford is really a neighbourhood of Fordingbridge, so to rename it as "Ashford, Hampshire" is not recommended because it isn't sufficiently notable to have its own stand-alone article. The other option is deletion. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There doesn't seem to be much to say about Ashford: it seems to have been the location of the town water-mill. In the 19th century Fordingbridge railway station was located there, and the railway inn in Ashford is now named after the artist Augustus John who used to drink there. Deletion would actually be more logical than merging, since I doubt Ashford has ever been in Dorset, but on the other hand, there are countless pointless redirects on Wikipedia, no harm in creating another one. :) Pasicles (talk) 21:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe deletion is the way to go - it is what I initially thought anyway, until it was suggested otherwise here. One problem I see with merging and making Ashford, Dorset a redirect is that such a course doesn't correct anyone's belief of Ashford being in Dorset rather than Hampshire - it's as if they've just been redirected to the nearest town. (If the article was renamed and "Ashford, Dorset" was redirected to "Ashford, Hampshire", that would make more sense, but that assumes that Ashford is notable enough to have its own article, which it quite probably isn't). What about deletion then, and just include a mention of Ashford in the Fordingbridge article? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:32, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay deletion makes sense then - I'll see if I can google up few statements about Ashford to add to this page. I suggest two more Fordingbridge "hamlets" should be deleted at the same time: Brookheath and East Mills (Geograph: [1], [2]). Brookheath is a "small country house" of no great note northwest of Fordingbridge [3], East Mills is the name of a manor house in the small hamlet of Criddlestyle [4]. Oh and then there's Tinkers Cross - which at least is more than one house - might be worth merging with this page I suppose. Pasicles (talk) 22:32, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(After edit conflict) Yes I had noticed you had discovered a few other similar articles about places near Fordingbridge - quite a plethora of them! I've made a comment on the talk page of Bull Hill, Hampshire, which is another you'd picked out. Actually I wonder if the East Mills article might actually warrant not a full deletion but a redirect to here (Fordingbridge), where a mention of the manor can be made (it is listed, after all)? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Grade II listed buildings are very common (there are 75 such buildings in Fordingbridge). Further investigation shows that "East Mill" was once an alternative name for Criddlestyle: [5]. I'll certainly mention Criddlestyle (and East Mill) on this page, but I'm not exactly convinced that "East Mills" deserves its own special redirect page on Wikipedia. :) Pasicles (talk) 23:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On reflection, I think you're probably right. "Criddlestyle" could perhaps warrant being set up as a redirect to Fordingbridge, as at least that name is still current. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, here's what I propose. Nominate Ashford, Dorset for deletion, and bundle with it (WP:BUNDLE) the four non-entities of Brookheath, Broxhill, East Mills, and Bull Hill, Hampshire, all of which are in the proximity of Fordingbridge, but none of which plausibly count as a hamlet. The other place, Tinkers Cross, seems to have a few houses there and can probably be redirected/merged with Fordingbridge. Finally, a redirect can be created for Criddlestyle, and if anyone ever wants to create a page for that hamlet, they have my best wishes. :) Pasicles (talk) 20:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have you been able to access a map which actually has the name "Tinkers Cross" on it? Google Maps shows a location but no name to confirm, and my OS 1:50,000-scale map also has no name to pinpoint if/where "Tinkers Cross" exists. There are so many locational errors on these articles, such as counties wrong, coordinates wrong, compass directions wrong, names wrong (take a look at the original page created for "Tinkers Cross" - it called it "Stuckton") that I'd like to be able to confirm that such a name has been applied to a few houses northwest of Fordingbridge (I'm sure the houses exist, but have they ever been called "Tinkers Cross"?) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I have the 1:25000 New Forest map and its marked (in rather small type) as the name of a small crossroads just north of Fordingbridge [6]. I doubt it has an official status as a hamlet name, but it looks on the map like there's about 20 houses there, and "Tinkers Cross, Fordingbridge" seems to be recognised as a valid address: [7]. Pasicles (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I think your proposal above seems reasonable (assuming we don't end up with a "trainwreck"), though I think it may(?) be normal practice to leave this conversation open for a bit longer, in case anyone else joins in. (P.S. I don't know whether you've noticed, but I followed you to Forest Corner - where I found more errors - and wonder if there might be a similar situation regarding articles about non-notable collections of buildings in the vicinity of Ringwood...?) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:10, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The problem seems to be a whole strip of places down the west side of the New Forest district. I've just tagged Gorley Lynch as another place near Fordingbridge which I think will have to go. I've opened up a discussion at Talk:Ringwood about the settlements there, some of which may have to be deleted. Anyway, feel free to leave this discussion open for a few more days - comments from other people are welcome. Pasicles (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I added another deletion candidate at Talk:Ringwood, and Ogdens might well be another candidate here.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:20, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]


If doesn't look like anything's happened here for a while so I've prodded the Ashford article. I haven't touched the others - for the record the rule of thumb is that listed buildings are generally notable, so some of the "it's just a house" arguments above don't stack up. In other words Brookheath etc aren't quite the same as the Ashford issue so I would recommend against bundling them together in the same deletion nomination. WaggersTALK 15:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

renaming of the River Avon

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It is widely accepted that there are many tautological names for world-wide geographical features. These are widely accepted by the majority of the population. The systematic and somewhat disruptive activity of pedantically renaming these features serves no useful purpose. Richard Avery (talk) 11:09, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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