Talk:Final (Vol. 1)

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Requested move 29 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Final (Vol. 1). There's a consensus to include "Vol. 1" in some form, so I'm picking the spaced version according to the BarrelProof's analysis. No such user (talk) 10:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final (album) → Final (Vol.1) – ...although I'd be happy with Final Vol.1 as well. The artist has called the two volumes of this as his "final" album, but in reality these are two separate albums – they have two separate release dates several months apart (not even in the same calendar year), will have different track listings, will be sold and streamed as individual albums, will be reviewed separately, and have individual chart placings... it makes no sense to lump both albums together in the same article. Per WP:COMMONNAME, almost all reliable sources are calling this album Final (Vol.1), including the Billboard charts [1], Swiss charts [2], and the streaming sites Apple Music [3], Spotify [4] and Amazon [5]... the Spanish chart is calling it Final Vol.1 without the parentheses [6], as does a USA Today review of his live show [7], and the one album review so far calls it Final Vol 1 [8]. AllMusic doesn't have a review of the album yet, but have it listed in their database as Final, Vol. 1 [9]. However you look at it, "Vol 1" is included in every independent source that talks about this album. Richard3120 (talk) 00:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Havelock Jones (talk) 10:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Vol.1" or "Vol. 1"? Or "Volume 1"? Ordinary English formatting would seem to be "Vol. 1" or "Volume 1". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BarrelProof: I agree it's debatable. The album cover says "Vol.1" without the space, although I agree with you that strictly speaking it should have one. But in the absence of any definitive statement, I suggested going with the most common spelling per WP:COMMONNAME, which is "(Vol.1)", in parentheses and without the space. As stated above, I am open to other formats, but I think the key point is to include some version of "Vol. 1" somewhere in the title. Richard3120 (talk) 14:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On matters of styling such as this, the Wikipedia guidelines say that if sources are mixed we should use the styling that most resembles standard English formatting. I also tend to think that when it comes to music, especially recently released music, many of the sources should not be considered independent. They tend to just take what they are given. That is definitely true of things like Apple Music and Amazon, which are just vendors/resellers rather than independent sources of information. I think it is also true of charting services, which are focused on tracking statistics rather than exercising independent editorial control. USA Today and The Independent both include a space. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Final (Vol.1) or Final (Vol. 1). I'm more inclined to include the space per the above conversation and the RIAA certification. — Status (talk · contribs) 00:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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