Talk:Feminist activism in hip-hop

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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to merge the two articles Dvalentine (talk) 21:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Yblue782: There's a lot of overlap between this article and the article for hip-hop feminism so I'm wondering if we should consider merging them. The scope is almost identical, with the other article centered on the movement and this one focusing on individual incidents within the movement. The other article is a little quote-heavy but it is well-referenced and provides good context that is lacking here. I do like that this article goes into to some of the fundamentals of hip hop, addressing breakdancing and graffiti. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 06:35, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think hip-hop feminism should be merged into this article. Kaldari (talk) 00:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is absolutely no reason this should be a seperate article from the other one. I vote merge. Dvalentine (talk) 21:05, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The book "Pulse of the People" by Lakeyta Bonnette is a literary work that explores the culture of Hip Hop and its implications in the political realm. Content that is mentioned in this book contain topics that are referenced on this encyclopedia website such as feminism and black nationalism. The first chapter of this book focuses on various theories on “political attitude formation.” Theories mentioned include schema theory and bounded rationality also known as mental shortcuts. The following chapters are tailored towards the oppression of Black communities and the social ills of other marginalized groups. Segments of this book speak on how marginalized groups typically do not participate in politics regarding following vital current events or voting. However, through the use of Hip Hop, its avid listeners can be exposed to certain ideas and concepts that might entice its followers to engage in political dogma. Chapter 3 analyzes the relationship between political rap and Black Nationalism. Black feminism ideology and Hip Hop culture is explored within Chapter 4 as it relates to political events taking place currently within society. These chapters analyze lyrical content in which exposes its listener to “black power” views that are needed to uplift spirits and educate underrepresented communities. The book finalizes its material by discussing the behavior of Hip Hop artists discussing political matters and how their voice impacts disenfranchised individuals supporting this culture. This book conveys the importance of advocating on behalf of the struggles within marginalized groups such as women living in an male dominated society, in a constructive manner in order to achieve a goal. Bonnette emphasizes to her audience that the culture of Hip Hop is a diverse relationship with political attitudes and participation. Hip Hop is a medium in which rebellious attitudes can form, calling for a change that can drastically modify the ways in which people think and live. The ideals mentioned in this book would greatly contribute to the content matter of this article. Sage Cadence (talk) 15:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger & Additions

Greetings!

I am editing this page. When I started, the page only had an introduction and three sections: feminism in hip hop music, graffiti and break-dancing.

I decided to edit this page by merging it with the "Hip Hop feminism" page as suggested by a previous discussion on the talk page. Through my research, I realized that "hip hop feminism" was a concept coined by a particular scholar that belongs within the scope of feminist activism in hip hop so it made sense to add it as a section under feminist activism in hip hop.

In addition to merging the two articles, I added I added additional context to the introduction by stating some of the reasons that created the need for feminist activism in hip hop such as misogyny in hip hop. I also added the sections "Hip hop as a medium for social change" and "Hip Hop Feminism". I added "Hip hop as a medium for social change" in the beginning to first add context to the article. This section positions and distinguishes hip hop, the social lifestyle and cultural force that includes style, fashion and more from the genre of music. I then break down the concept of hip hop feminism.

I also will add a section highlighting the actual hip hop feminist who are authors and hip hop historians that have carved a space in academia for black feminist thought to be applied to hip hop studies. These scholars include Joan Morgan, Gwendolyn D. Pough, Sonya Renee Taylor and Jean Gae.

KrisWander (talk) 20:52, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review: Tyler Laney

The article has a lot of information, which is good, but it also makes it difficult to tackle. You should define what feminism means within this specific Wikipedia article.Throughout the article, it seems as if you define what other artists considered to be feminism. Also, what is the rationale in naming a hip-hop artist a "feminist"? What defines "feminist lyrics"? Are they lyrics that simply speak about women in a positive light? This is a very complex and large article, so I understand if you do not currently have the ability to make these changes, but it would be great to include in the future. I also think that it would be great if you included a "Backlash" section where you speak about how black women artists are treated differently in the hip hop/rap industry and how that developed hip/hop industry. The Lil Kim "Not Tonight (Ladies Night Remix) was and is still unique due to the number of female rappers on the song. I think that it is worth mentioning in the article. I don't know of any other rap song that featured as many female rappers as this. Tyler Laney (talk) 22:25, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! This is extremely helpful in clarifying my research and thoughts. You pointed out to me that I should probably add more context around the definition of "feminist" and how I am associating artists and figures with the term. KrisWander (talk) 01:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review by Mary T. Brown

This is a lot of information to dissect and communicate, so good job! It's a really big topic but overall I think you tackled it well. I just have a few minor changes to consider:

Lead: - the lead is not neutral. To avoid getting reported, you will have to add sources to claims that hip hop and graffiti are sexist. It may be better to reword as: Feminist activism is a response to the lack of positive representation and sexism in hip hop culture. That cuts down on the words and by saying less, you have less sources to find. If you link hip hop to the Wikipedia page, it covers graffiti and breakdancing.

Hip Hop Feminism: - hip hop feminism should be lowercased, and hip hop is generally not capitalized - link black feminism, and third wave feminism should be linked the first time you mention it - hip hop does not have a dash between it - when discussing that Queen Latifah considers feminism "too white...ect.," finish the quote and provide a source -add some dates to the waves of feminism so the reader can follow a timeline

Feminism in hip hop music: - first sentence is not neutral - after giving credit to Queen Latifah on "All Hail the Queen," you said she followed her own suit. Reword that sentence - add a link to glass ceiling so the reader knows what you mean - add Wikipedia links to all albums and songs, most have pages - just a thought, consider talk more on Salt-n-Peppa, they were one of the first female rap groups and their song "Let's Talk about Sex" was one of the first times female rappers openly discussed sex in the 90s section, they came in the 80s. However, that's if you have time, otherwise just expand that they were one of the first groups. - consider expanding on more artists, heavily focused on Queen Latifah. Mention some more of the "firsts" of the genre, - add the year the song was released to keep a timeline, because "fast forward to today" can mean something different in 2 years if no one else has edited the page after you

Graffiti - add sources to beginning paragraph where you talk about identity to avoid reporting due to neutrality

Mary T. Brown (talk) 23:36, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article Evaluation

Is it accurate to say that Feminist Activism in Hip Hop only includes women? Why the gender exclusivity? (referring to the first sentence of the article)

Most links to other Wikipedia pages seem to be working.

Grammatical errors:

In "Hip hop as a medium for social change" section:

"Rabaka explains out the way in which..."

In "Feminism in hip hop music" section:

"Female MC's and singers would base tracks based on the advancement of women."

"Behind Queen Latifah came hip-hop artist Lauryn Hill became the best example of hip-hop feminism..."

"Many have decried Beyoncé is not feminist enough."

The article seems to be neutral for the most part. Its main sources of information are journals written on Hip hop feminism, and direct quotes from self-identified hip hop feminists.

The article's definition of Hip Hop Feminism is well done; however, there could be more up to date information added to this section.

There are several sources cited that seem to no longer exist. One of these is source #11: "Women, Feminism, and Hip Hop" on socialism.com.

The "Feminism in hip hop music" section might need some work. It has a lot of information that seems to be more based in personal opinion than fact. There are also citations missing in this section.

Overall, the article seems to offer information that is relevant to the topic of feminism in hip hop; however, it is lacking in descriptions of activism specifically. It may also be beneficial to address the roles of alternative genders and sexualities within hip hop feminist activism, as well as to address the presence of lesser known producers of hip hop culture beyond those previously mentioned.

On the Talk Page there has been past discussion of merging this page with the "Hip Hop Feminism" page, and I agree with this suggestion.

Hannahrosebuc (talk) 19:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article Evaluation by William B.

Notes: The lead in is solid but perhaps including a sentence about how feminist activism seeks to redefine the misogyny and sexism in hip hop will clarify that the article is not just about hip hop culture in a general sense.

The article has a consistently unbiased tone and the sources and presented objectively.

In the section titled "Hip Hop feminism" the first sentence of the second paragraph should be reworded for clarity. The sentence can also be taken out in its entirety as the following discussion of T. Hansan Johnson's book suffices to sum up the original points with a source to back it up.

Second to last paragraph under "Feminism in hip hop music" Beyoncé's name is spelled incorrectly in the second sentence, change Beyonce to Beyoncé. Do not change it the two times it is misspelled in the last paragraph as it is how the source for those points spells it and in turn acts as a quote. The first sentence of this paragraph should also be reworded for clarity and to correct the grammar in the statement "many have decried Beyoncé is not feminist enough." Changing it to "Many have claimed that Beyoncé and her work is not feminist enough" would suffice.

All of the citations and link to the works seem to be in order and working properly.

Developing the "Graffiti" section with a more detailed explanation of how women are marginalized within the graffiti subculture (similar to the explanation in the "Breakdancing" section) would explain why the all female graffiti crews are necessary.

The quote from Johnson in the "Breakdancing" section is formatted incorrectly and it is unclear where the quote ends and the general descriptions begin. The citation should also be moved to the end of the quote/discussion of Johnson's article. WDeniseB (talk) 00:17, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article Evaluation by Siobhan D.

Feminist Activism in Hip Hop Review

Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you? I think the section about Hip Hop Feminism is too long and a little confusing because it's just a recap of everything that's on that wiki page. I think that Hip Hop Feminism should be referenced in the intro of the page and linked to the page itself, but I don't think that it should have its own section as long as it is on the Feminist Activism Page in Hip Hop.

Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position? The general tone sounds a little opinionated, especially because it uses language like "the best example" or uses quotations from scholars rather than a general summary or reference to their article. there are claims in the introduction that aren't supported by any citations.

Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? The section on feminism in hip hop music is really long compared to every other section which makes me think it should be its own page, potentially, or maybe some parts can be removed. Also, the introduction says that feminist activism has grounds in graffiti, break dancing, hip hop music, and rap but there is no individual section about rap, and the wiki page does not follow this order. Saying that feminism only applies to females in the industry doesn't make sense in the context of this article because it talks about activism in hip hop music that applies to male artists, yet the first sentence contradicts that follows throughout the rest of the article.

All in all, I agree with what has been said throughout the talk page for this article as far as merging it with the Hip Hop Feminism page and the other criticisms because it's a bit messy and needs a lot of revision. Duponts2 (talk) 16:53, 18 April 2018 (UTC)duponts2[reply]

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