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Genetics...

It's proven that gene flow has happened between the Rat Terrier and the Basenji,^[1] and thus even more likely to have happened between the Feist and the Basenji i believe, and perhaps this why the Rat Terrier show a relationship to the Basenji? Feist is actually even more of a Basenji lookalike than the Rat Terrier. Regards tB (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That might explain why the Feist is quieter than the Rat Terrier. Monado (talk) 13:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Parker, H. G., Dreger, D. L., Rimbault, M., Davis, B. W., Mullen, A. B., Carpintero-Ramirez, G., & Ostrander, E. A. (2017) Genomic Analyses Reveal the Influence of Geographic Origin, Migration, and Hybridization on Modern Dog Breed Development. Cell Reports 19(4):697–708, 25 April 2017. DOI: 10.1016/j.celrep.2017.03.079.

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Chihuahua (dog) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 09:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It was proposed in this section that Feist (dog) be renamed and moved to Feist dog.

result:
Moved to Feist (dog breed). See consensus below both in favor of moving away from the current dab and against the proposed name. So I invoke WP:OTHEROPTIONS to choose the other dab favored below. Any editor can open a fresh move request at any time if they do not consider this to be the highest and best way to disambiguate this article title. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 12:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Feist (dog) → Feist dog – Per WP:NCDAB, Feist (dog) implies a dog named Feist. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination, as exemplified by main title headers for entries delineating famous dogs — Cheeka (dog), Cosmo (dog), Darla (dog), Higgins (dog), Jean (dog), Teddy (dog), Koko (dog), Madison (dog), Petra (dog) or Skippy (dog), to name but ten. A similar nomination is also currently active at Talk:Brittany (dog)#Requested move 2 March 2024. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to point out that all your examples are famous dogs but this is an article about a type of dog. I'm not wholly certain they need to share formatting. Annwfwn (talk) 23:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the user is pointing out how famous dogs use Name (dog) as the standard title and using it to support the idea that Feist (dog) implies a dog named Feist. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, since Boxer (dog) and Akita (dog) have now been moved to Boxer (dog breed) and Akita (dog breed), if Feist is considered a dog breed, then Feist (dog) can be likewise moved to Feist (dog breed). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment ~~leaning toward oppose~~: I reject the idea that "Feist (dog)" implies an individual dog named Feist. A more important question is whether "Feist dog" is a commonly used, natural-sounding term. See Akita (dog), Armant (dog), Barbet (dog), Boxer (dog), Brittany (dog), Chihuahua (dog), Chinook (dog), Dalmatian (dog), Harrier (dog), Hokkaido (dog), Kaikadi (dog), Kintamani (dog), Smithfield (dog), St. Bernard (dog), Talbot (dog), Tosa (dog). That's not an exhaustive list, but I suspect it includes most such article titles. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll make request moves for those too later. A lot of those pages however were moved back to the parentheses after consensus found the natural disambiguation to be better.^[1] Armant dog was moved to Armant (dog) by a user now banned for vandalism who never got consensus to move the page back after consensus supported moving it to Armant dog.

Now as to whether 'Feist dog' is used: ^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6] Even this very article uses 'feist dog' on one occasion. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Traumnovelle (talk) 08:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about this one, but "Akita dog", "Boxer dog", "Chihuahua dog", "Dalmation dog" and "St. Bernard dog" do not seem natural to me. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see many results using 'Akita Dog' and the Japanese name is Akita Inu meaning Akita Dog, although Akita Inu is also acceptable as a natural disambugation and is used in Shiba Inu and Kai Ken. Hill's and Purina use Boxer dog with a quick search. Chihuahua dog is used by PDSA, Britannica and Purina. I will do a better search with proper sources if I need to do a requested move for any of them, I might do a bulk move. Dalmatian dog is used: https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=Dalmatian%20dog Traumnovelle (talk) 18:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I struck out my "leaning toward oppose" above. At this point, since many other articles have been moved by two other multi-article RMs and some bold moves, it seems desirable to be consistent with the outcome of those. The breeds now seem to generally have the form "[Something] dog" or "[Something] (dog breed)", so one of those should also be used for this topic. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note similar ongoing RMs at Talk:Brittany (dog), Talk:Boxer (dog), and Talk:Akita (dog). 162 etc. (talk) 05:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two of those RMs have been closed, so Talk:Boxer (dog) and Talk:Akita (dog) (and similar grouped pages) are now found at Talk:Boxer (dog breed) and Talk:Akita (dog breed). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Campine_chicken#Requested_move_28_September_2017
^ "It reminded me of a little fice-t dog I had when I was a leetle codger." Edward Eggleston • The end of the world: a love story • 1st edition, 1872 (1 vol.).
^ https://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/feist
^ https://animalcorner.org/dog-breeds/feist-dog/
^ https://animalso.com/breeds/feist/
^ https://a-z-animals.com/animals/feist/

Relisting comment: for clearer consensus – robertsky (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Feist (dog breed) per other similar RMs recently. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Feist (dog breed) per the above. Best option, since it certainly would appear from the current title that the subject is an individual dog named Feist. BD2412 (talk) 17:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to the alternative proposed dab of Feist (dog breed), which seems more natural than Feist dog. -2pou (talk) 18:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Query on Mountain Feist and Treeing Feist

In the section "Feist and rat terrier," is this one breed or two? Monado (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the Rat Terrier article. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 16:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Parker_''et_al.''_(2017)-1] Parker, H. G., Dreger, D. L., Rimbault, M., Davis, B. W., Mullen, A. B., Carpintero-Ramirez, G., & Ostrander, E. A. (2017) Genomic Analyses Reveal the Influence of Geographic Origin, Migration, and Hybridization on Modern Dog Breed Development. Cell Reports 19(4):697–708, 25 April 2017. DOI: 10.1016/j.celrep.2017.03.079.

[2] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Campine_chicken#Requested_move_28_September_2017

[3] "It reminded me of a little fice-t dog I had when I was a leetle codger." Edward Eggleston • The end of the world: a love story • 1st edition, 1872 (1 vol.).

[4] ttps://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/feist

[5] ttps://animalcorner.org/dog-breeds/feist-dog/

[6] ttps://animalso.com/breeds/feist/

[7] ttps://a-z-animals.com/animals/feist/

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