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Section size for Earth System Governance Project (20 sections)
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(Top)	3,268	3,268
Aims	1,224	1,224
Structure	17	4,422
Members	1,114	1,114
Secretariat	498	498
Scientific steering committee and chairs	822	822
Science and implementation plans	1,971	1,971
Funding sources	2,853	2,853
Activities	18	16,879
Global networking with research centers	771	771
Publications	2,898	2,898
Organizing conferences	8,685	8,685
Organizing task forces	1,027	1,027
Interacting with affiliated projects	3,480	3,480
Impacts	6,553	6,553
Challenges	445	445
History	4,125	4,125
See also	258	258
References	28	28
External links	381	381
Total	40,436	40,436

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Created page 30 January 2009. Granitethighs (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged the article. It is sourced by the group itself. There are no notability aspects that can easily be identified. The information is only sourced by self published ref's from the group itself and their writing. No evidence here that this group is known, written about, our been written up beyond their own publications which are self published. skip sievert (talk) 03:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The common theme in the notability guidelines is the requirement for verifiable objective evidence to support a claim of notability. In the case of subject matter like this (existence of an organisation). The provided information is surely sufficient objective evidence of the organisation. There is little point in finding references in academic books, periodicals etc. In this kind of situation either the topic is worthy of inclusion or it is not. If you disagree could you please express your concern to a third party for resolution, not to me. Granitethighs (talk) 03:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No that is not how notability is determined. Outside sourcing... is it written about. This is all self sourced from the group. Are they noted?> Have they been written up and examined. Leave the tag until this article is looked at by others, you created the article... it is not sourced beyond the group. This looks like a kind of promotion or spam almost of a group.... are they notable... beyond what they have written themselves? Does not look like it right now. The tag is meant to bring attention so other people can look for notability or not. You defeat the purpose of the tag if you remove it... also it does not look good for you to do it... because you just put the article up.. you may be biased. It is not sourced beyond the group itself and their writing. skip sievert (talk) 03:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concept or Project?

I think that the idea represented by "earth system governance" is a notable issue and could stand alone as an article. What to title such an article is not clear to me but presenting the subject matter is important. Many organizations are trying to find some all-incompassing approach to the management of these complex enviromental issues. The organization of this "earth system governance project" is certainly well-known enough to be included in such an article or just let it stand as it is now.

I think that using the term "governance" suggests that some world body needs to be given athority to make law regarding global environmental issues. Of course "governance" is more forcefull than "management". Presently, we have many groups and networks but none with any "teeth" to make changes. Who said "all are responcible therefore no one is" Although the United Nations seems to be somewhat ineffective in any type of global governance, it supports the enviromental research efforts of many NGOs and governments. But it is not able to go beyound simple recomendations. People have little trust in their own governments and will have even less in global athority. Sadly, efforts that are not "profit-making" will get few motivated and therefore little support.

In any case, "earth system governance" is a term being used by a some other than the "earth system governance project". I got many returns on Google and Bing searches even if many seemed related to the "project" but that in itself indicates notablity beyond the self-promotion implied in the above comments. For now I think the article should be kept.

A topic from the November 2006 Newsletter on the Human Dimension in Water Management www.harmoni-ca.info (Note: The Newsletter was the product of the cluster of EU projects on the Human Dimension in Water Management, Its purpose was to enhance the dissemination of the results of the broad range of European projects related to water and people. Topics on economic, socioeconomic and social aspects of water management were addressed. Important news of the projects were made available May 2003 and October 2007.)

"The Institute for Environmental Studies at the Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam and its partner institutions invite you to the 2007 Amsterdam Conference on the Human Dimensions of Global Environmental Change, to be held in Amsterdam on 24-26 May 2007. This year's conference will address the theme 'Earth System Governance: Theories and Strategies for Sustainability'. We define earth system governance as the sum of the formal and informal rule systems and actor--networks at all levels of human society (from local to global) that are set up to influence the co-evolution of human and natural systems in a way that secures the sustainable development of human society--"

From the International Studies Association's blog. www.isanet.org

"The organizers invite you to attend the 2009 Amsterdam Conference on the Human Dimensions of Global Environmental Change, to be held 2-4 December 2009. This conference will be the ninth event in the series of annual European Conferences on the Human Dimensions of Global Environmental Change, begun in Berlin in 2001. This year's conference will also be the global launch event of the Earth System Governance Project, a new ten-year research programme under the auspices of the International Human Dimensions Programme on Global Environmental Change (IHDP). Deadline for paper abstracts: 15 May 2009; full papers due: 15 November 2009."

172.131.113.230 (talk) 03:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promotional tone

Hi User:Thegreenpanther, Thank you for your efforts to improve this article. It is gradually getting better. In my opinion it still does not read like an encyclopedic entry, however; still more like a news release. The key, I think, is in continuing to find more reliable sources rather than the project's own materials. What would an objective, non-involved observer write about the project? What are its strengths, limitations, accomplishments, challenges...? Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

newer conference & third pary view(s)

This project is really huge, therefore it is not easy to find sources outside the project, because so many are participating. I`ll give it a try. Also the the article was 2015 ammended 2015, since then 4 annual conference have been taking place. I´try to do both revisions together, therefore I just save the events page of ESGP-Homepage here. --Ai24 (talk) 04:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements July 2024

I've done a quick round of improvements to this article, trying to synchronise it better with the Earth system governance article. I have moved quite a bit of content from there to here. I am now going to look for more content and publications that could be used to build up this article better. For example, I would like to add more content on funding, structure, impacts and challenges. - I'd like to point out that I have a working relationship with the Earth System Governance Project, in my capacity of a science communication freelancer. See my user profile page for more information. I also explain there how I am managing a potential conflict of interest. I always strive to remain neutral and objective and adhere to all Wikipedia policies. My aim is to improve the quality of this and related articles. EMsmile (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]