Talk:Robert James Bell

The article I have created is of my Brother. I find the fact that someone has told me that I do not have the right to the images to be offensive.

Please note, I have cited the text. I am not stating this to be my own work. Please remove the copyright text now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 9 February 2009

I'm sorry if you're offended, but these are legal matters and Wikipedia has processes that must be followed. As we have no means of verifying your identity through Wikipedia's account creation process, we must request external verification of authorization through the procedures at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. However, if you are not the photographer, then you may not have legal authority to release those images to us under United States law, which governs Wikipedia. With regards to the text, please review our non-free content guidelines for more information on how to properly quote material from external sources. All quoted material must be placed in quotation marks with proper attribution, and there are only certain circumstances under which these can be used. The opening sentence of the text you've placed says: "Dr Rob (Robert James Bell, born 10 April 1975 ) is the host of the Australian childrens television programme Scope where Dr Rob tackles a topic, explores it, relates it to a child's life and catapults the concept into the realms of technology and the future." There is nothing there to indicate that "tackles a topic, explores it, relates it to a child's life and catapults the concept into the realms of technology and the future" is copied directly from the source.

The next sentence says, "Growing up on a Pineapple farm on the Sunshine Coast, Rob became passionate about the environment and in particular the impact humans have on it and its resources." The source says, "Growing up on a pineapple farm on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, Dr Rob became passionate about the environment and in particular the impact humans have on it and its resources." There is neither indication of source in the text you placed in the article nor any sign that material has been copied verbatim. Additional material in this article has been copied from those sources either without proper annotation or without indication of source.

Even if we properly mark quotations, though, we are limited in the amount of text we can copy from external sources unless they are public domain or licensed compatibly with the GFDL--which means that the material can be modified and republished commercially or otherwise by anyone. This is why quotations are used in specific "to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea." With straightforward presentation of facts, where quotations are not necessary for those purposes, you should put the material entirely in your own language.

The best place to revise this text is in the temporary space provided (the link is prominently placed on front of the article). Once it is rewritten in your own words or brought into line with those non-free content guidelines, it can be restored to article space. This won't address the image concerns or other issues, including neutrality or conflict of interest that have been tagged as concerns by other contributors. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I have made some revisions. Please review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

As far as nutrality is concerned, I believe I have made numerous citations to external sources to satisfy anyone's concerns, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Give me a minute to compare with the sources, please, and we may be able to swiftly resolve the text copyright concerns. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I have revised a few passages that remained close to or copied from those sources; otherwise, text copyright concerns seem to have been fully addressed. Thank you for promptly addressing that. As far as neutrality is concerned, I am not the contributor who tagged that issue, but I can say that additional sourcing may be necessary to verify that. For example, discussion of his educational career mentions "such a high result", but the sources that are current utilized don't provide that level of detail. Reliable, published sources should help eradicate such concerns. (One of the problems with editing articles on subjects close to us is that we may know more detail than we can prove. Since Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, we have developed strict rules about unpublished and unverifiable information so that our readers can be sure of accuracy.) As far as the images are concerned, if you are the photographer on images like File:Dr rob recieving award.jpg, you should note that, since images that lack source information are likely to be deleted. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Forget it. Just delete it. I would have thought free advertising would have been a good thing. I can't believe some people are so pendantic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Can that, It was at 01:30 when I made that heated comment (AEDT) --johnbell149-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.74.138.1 (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

How do I notify wikipedia that I have consent use images and text ?

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC) 

It depends on where you got them. If you're the photographer of File:Dr rob recieving award.jpg, for instance, and the image has never been published before, you would give as much information as you can in the file description page. You go in to edit it just as you do the article page, and you'll find some incomplete infolines: description, source, date, author, permission (you can probably ignore "other versions".) You can see more descriptions of those and a sample at Template:Information. If you are not the photographer and the image has been previously published, it gets a bit more complicated. We either need a note at the original source releasing it or an e-mail from the place of original publication. See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for details. If you are the photographer and the image has been previously published, similar processes are used. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Let me know if you need better or more explanations for this, and I'll try to clarify. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 22:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I have requested permission for all text and images I have uploaded onto the page. (+ more) from CSIRO, channel 10 Australia & source of the photos in Japan. --210.14.103.151 (talk) 10:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe I have addressed the neutrality issues in this document. --johnbell149 13:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Although I'm not the contributor who tagged that particular issues, I think you've neutralized it to a great extent. I removed the assertion that "his popularity grew to the point" in conjunction with the creation of Scope. If Scope was created specifically to feature him, you might say so, but you would need to be able to verify such claims with reliable sources that are not connected either to the individual or the program itself, since they have an interest in promoting an image of the show and its star as popular. Until such an unconnected source is located, straightforward presentation of fact is the way to go. I've removed the COI tag as, in spite of your connection, the article currently seems neutral to me. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I am still curious about what points may still require citation. --johnbell149 20:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

I have recieved a response from CSIRO, who are concidering the issue. Can the page please remain online till I have confirmation. E-mail removed for copyright reasons as well as privacy concerns. --johnbell149 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

I almost had a heart attack!, but I have now found the talk page. johnbell149 05:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

I have made significant additions to this article. I believe I have cited every fact I have added. If you believe there is an uncited or not cited enough, please please let me know - send to johnbell149@gmail.com

Also photograph permissions are on their way, just awaiting finalisation from providers.

johnbell149 10:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. You may want to review WP:RS, which talks about the kind of sources that are usable. Citing to "his brother" doesn't work under Wikipedia's verifiability policy; this is the kind of original research that our conflict of interest guideline warns about. I note that another contributor has removed some of the details from this article that may not suit our purposes, which is to create encyclopedic articles with information related to a subject's notability. Unless his love of chocolate is somehow professionally relevant, it may not be appropriate for inclusion here. As far as permission for the photographs, these may be deleted if permission is not received in time, but they can be restored after the verification process is completed. (By the way, I've removed the e-mail you pasted above because it, too, is protected by copyright law. Within the text removed was also the provision that "Any unauthorised use or disclosure is prohibited." You would need verifiable permission to reproduce that here. This is one of the reasons why the verification process is conducted privately through e-mail with the Wikimedia Foundation.) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the chocolate as an interest, I believe it goes towards the argument supporting his accademic excelence, given that he did a bachelors degree (hons) then a PhD (No Masters), and not just a "study robot". Being president of this (and treasurer of soccer club) and studying at the same time.

I also wish to comment on him not being a "Study Robot", citing the involvement in both clubs.

Please advise. johnbell149 06:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion about his love of chocolate, but seeing that he was president of an association, it does seem to be a notable part of his history. :) Instead of subsection this under "Chocolate" in "Major Interests", you might want to try a more standard division, such as "Personal life" or "Early life" or even "Other work." You may be going a bit overboard on section headers, which can break up the flow of text. I'm going to merge some of those subsections into larger groupings, but I'll leave it up to you where you might want to note chocolate in the biography. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Please retain the information about Robert's presidency at the chocolate appreciation society. As agreed by Moonriddengirl, "but seeing that he was president of an association, it does seem to be a notable part of his history. :)" (Quoted from above). johnbell149 01:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I have found a reference to the PhD thesis, but the document is only available for sale. johnbell149 04:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

PhD thesis citation should appear at http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/ but I can't find it for some reason. I know it exists so it's probably worth a followup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmlpreston (talk • contribs) 10:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I have added a link from The university of Queensland notable Alumni page to this page. johnbell149 06:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

I have uploaded photos I took myself of Robert Bell and included them into the document. johnbell149 11:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

I have included a new appearance on the The Einstein Factor, which aired on the ABC In Australia.

Please note: He has flown the New York again (week of 27 April 2009) to shoot another appearance for the Rachel Ray show. Please keep watch of RR web site for upcoming weeks. johnbell149 12:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

I have made the proper changes to the Japan prize images, --johnbell149 14:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

I have removed an uncited reference (regarding catch phrases). I belive there are no longer any uncited claims and the flag can now be removed. --johnbell149 04:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)

The locations of clips from the Rachel Ray Show have been moved to a different location on their system. The new locations are now reflected in this article. --johnbell149 11:36, 11 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbell149 (talk • contribs)