Talk:Doctor Who series 14

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Determining the name of this article as either "Series 14" or "Season 1" has already previously been suggested and discussed. Before re-opening this discussion, review the discussions listed below.

Talk:Doctor Who series 14/Archive 1#Article title change? Opened November 2023
Talk:Doctor Who series 14/Archive 1#Requested move 2 December 2023 Opened December 2023
Talk:Doctor Who series 14#Season 1 vs Series 14 Opened December 2023
- Talk:Doctor Who series 14#Formal requested move Opened May 2024 (RM, closed as no consensus)
- Talk:Doctor Who series 14#Arbitrary break 2 (post-RM) Opened May 2024
- Special:Permalink/1242592556#Second requested move Opened July 2024 (RM, no consensus)

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WikiProject Doctor Who has a local discussion for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Svampesky (talk) 16:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a dead end. What is the point of keeping this thing up when there was no consensus from over there? without any update? This is a conversation ender and sucks attention off this to that. I suspect a lot of attention went over there. 69.161.57.181 (talk) 15:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Season 1 VS Series 14

New Discussion for the suggested move based on the name of the current season 2A00:23C6:7C0A:3D01:60C3:29D1:851:335F (talk) 21:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so the decision to remain as series 14 has absolutely baffled me.

it seems that decision was reached even though the argument for changing it was valid and greatly agreed.

The funny thing is, the picture used for “Series 14” is the dvd cover with literally has the words “Season One” written on the picture.

i think it would be wise to reopen the discussion and potentially have another vote which is why i created this topic.

Of course. Please keep it friendly and dont spam it.

i look forward to hearing everyones thoughts

- Joey :) 2A00:23C6:7C0A:3D01:60C3:29D1:851:335F (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: At least wait more than a month before rehashing it. I mean, six months is probably polite. DonQuixote (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I am in full support of renaming it Season 1 (yes, the identifying infobox image is quite the conflict), I agree with leaving it be for now. -- Alex_21_TALK 09:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, six months and season 3 will be in the process of being filmed and there will be a page made by then for it and once it's done, there will be more arguments about changing that title.

To put it another way: If not changed before the end of this year, then we will have season 2 titled as series 15 on Wikipedia during the airing of the season two and that's just not right. At all. The last time this hold on the name change was done, season 1 was airing and it still wasn't changed. This change must be done.

If this sounds aggressive or demeaning, please do tell me. 69.161.57.181 (talk) 00:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I think the lead stating: "The marketing for the series refers to it as "Season One", following the production changes and the acquisition of Doctor Who's international broadcasting rights by Disney+" is a more than acceptable compromise, though maybe for the reader's sake it would be better to improve on this and embolden Season One like on other Wikipedia articles where the subject has more than one name. This whole Season 1 (1963), Series 1 (2005), Season 1 (2024) situation is far too confusing for the casual layman and there's no point in confusing it further by renaming this article Doctor Who season 1 (2024) or whatever it'll become.

Also, this new series isn't really a reboot to the show like Series 1 in 2005 was, but instead a direct continuation of the 2005 reboot as its 14th series. There hasn't been a massive generational 16-year gap between this new "Season 1" and the 13 seasons or series before it (Power of the Doctor and Star Beast are only 1 year apart) like with the last season of Classic Who in 1989 and the 1st of New Who in 2005, and neither has there been a significant change in the show's formula like there was from 1989 to 2005. The 15th Doctor's era has been a direct narrative continuation to the 14th and 13th Doctors' eras, with the destruction of Gallifrey by The Master, the Flux, the Timeless Child, the Doctor being fostered by Tecteun and the Time Lords, etc all remaining major plot points of this era of the show if the specials and this series are anything to go by. This is different to Series 1 in 2005, which was a reboot with a whole new lore (The Time War, The 9th Doctor, new origin stories for The Master and Cybermen, etc) and, at first, barely any narrative link to the original show that ran from the 1960s to the 1980s. Gallifrey wasn't even mentioned by name until Series 3 for example, despite the new Time War lore that came with the reboot, and neither were the previous incarnations of the Doctor. The narrative gap between Classic Who and 2005 wouldn't even be filled and explained until the 50th anniversary of the show as a whole 8 years later.

It's for these reasons that I don't support renaming this article to Season 1. This is the 14th series of the 2005 reboot so the current article name fits the bill. While marketed as Season 1, it is not the first season of a brand new iteration or reboot of the show like Series 1 in 2005 was, and changing its name to Season 1 would cause lots of confusion due to three series of the same show (1963, 2005 and 2024) sharing the same name. This can be easily avoided by keeping the current article name, while also keeping the part of the lead which explains that the series and its successors are marketed as Season 1, Season 2, Season 3, etc due to the Disney+ deal, a suitable compromise for this situation in my opinion. JPowellOBrien (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is why it's not being moved, unfortunately. Regardless, this isn't a "support"/"oppose" !voting discussion. (Regardless, nobody can provide a Series 14 indentifying image for the infobox.) -- Alex_21_TALK 01:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have to argue against it being too confusing for the average layman. The count has been reset. It is as simple as that. No confusion to behold. 69.161.57.181 (talk) 23:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the obvious solution here is to not see "Season 1", "Season Two" as an indexed numbering of seasons, but instead to see it as a name for the season.

The first season of this show is called "Season 1", which came out in 1963. The 23rd season has two names, either "Season 23", or "The Trial of a Time Lord".

The 27th season is called "Series 1", and finally, the 40th season has been titled "Season 1", a repeated name, but technically allowed.

My suggestion therefore, is that naming the page "Doctor Who Season 1 (2024)" isn't a suggestion that it's a reboot, it's simply following the American Horror Story format of naming its season pages after the names of the seasons. With the year added simply because disambiguation is required given the 1963 season of the same name.

Is this an pedantically semantic justification for change? yes absolutely. But a legitimate one I think that reconciles the discrepancy between reality, and what the showrunners have decided to name the show. The lede can even be worded in such a way "Season 1 is the 14th season of the rebooted show, and 40th season of the franchise overall". I'm no lede expert so I leave the specific wording to better editors. El Dubs (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]