Talk:Tachycines asynamorus

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Requested move 21 May 2019

Diestrammena asynamora → Tachycines asynamorus – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Roy Bateman (talk) 18:13, 21 May 2019 (UTC) Not all databases agree (yet!) but recent papers and OSF have clearly reverted this species to its basonym.Roy Bateman (talk) 18:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. qedk (t 桜 c) 19:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is this affecting all members of Diestrammena? --Nessie (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nessie - I also updated the species lists for Diestrammena and Tachycines: yes, there are several other spp. better placed in the latter (I have classed them as "uncertain placement", but this is probably too weak). The only other sp. having a page is "Diestrammena bifurcata", which didn't come up in an OSF search ... I will look at that one some more. Roy Bateman (talk) 11:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, these taxonomic changes should be explained in the articles, then readers won't be confused. With that, i could abide a move, but I'm not a bug expert. --Nessie (talk) 13:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can only quote the scientific papers, update 'synonyms' and explain in the first sentence - as I have now also done for D. bifurcata. In the case of this sp. name, it appears to have be reverted to its original. Roy Bateman (talk) 14:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Keep taxonomy up to date. Plantdrew (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Wait~~ until the change is accepted or rejected by reliable databases. It may not be accepted by major coleopterists so we should follow the databases and not the primary papers--Kev min § 02:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

hello Kevmin - this is an Orthopteran (not Coleoptera) - can you suggest a more reliable database than the Orthoptera Species file? In any case it is also a revertion to the name used in standard texts going back to Ragge (1965). Roy Bateman (talk) 14:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake in mistyping. However the statement stands. If Orthoptera Species file has made the change and we feel its the current go to secondary source then it should be moved. If it has not been changed in OSF then we should not change it, but wait to see what happens.--Kev min § 21:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The point is Kevmin, it has been changed in OSF - and just take a look at the list of citations here. Diestrammena appears to be just an early 21st century 'blip'. Roy Bateman (talk) 16:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will AGF that current taxonomic papers are all using Tachycines and support the move reluctant, but note that the opening wording made it seem that there wasnt clear consensus between major Orthopteran databases.--Kev min § 22:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a note, there was no reason not to just be bold and move the pages to the current combinations if they are non-controversial--Kev min § 23:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Both - assume we have a consensus: now done. Roy Bateman (talk) 10:19, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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An administrator is now required to merge the page histories because the move of the page, discussed above, was performed incorrectly. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it was already done by Anthony Appleyard. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 14:51, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Anthony - finally, we need to move the link for Ru:WP to this sp. (Оранжерейный кузнечик - a good article) on Wikidata please: I don't know how to do this. Roy Bateman (talk) 08:39, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]