Talk:Dick Morris/Archive 1

Controversy Section

This article needs a controversy section.

69.171.160.10 (talk) 19:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I added it. The statement on the Peter Schiff show should be more than enough. --Shivan (talk) 14:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

False predictions

Dick has so far predicted Hillary would lose New Hampshire, fail on Super Tuesday, and more recently lose both Texas and Ohio primaries. He now says the race is over and Obama is the Democratic nominee. Should we now ask Hillary to write her concession speech then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.122.59 (talk) 08:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

To do: FahrenHYPE 9/11, criticism of Morris. Rhobite 22:54, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

I decided to include something about 1992 in the article. -Amit June 4, 2005

Gay?

Irrelevant. 67.42.240.96 19:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Is Dick Morris gay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.132.185.169 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 17 January 2006

Why are you asking us? -Will Beback 09:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Why would a gay man pay to have sex with a female prostitute?

It doesn't say the prostitute was a female, therefore it could have been a male. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.79.229 (talk) 14:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

It is actually something of an open secret that the reason Dick hates Hillary so much is that he has always been in love with Bill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.122.59 (talk) 05:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

dick morris does seem to act little bit gay but that doesn't mean he is though but you never know what kind of skeleton might be in his closet

anonymous april 14,2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.153.255.187 (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Dick Morris's prostitute was Sherry Rowlands, a female, as reported by the Washington Post. This Wiki article on Dick Morris is a smear and needs to be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.155.242 (talk) 03:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Wedlock?

Under the "Scandal" section, it says that Morris has a child in Texas, whom he fathered out of wedlock. Since this is a pretty big charge and no citation given, should this temporarily be removed until a citation can be found? Tmblweed 18:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't have it in front of me, but Morris admited this in "Behind The Oval Office." He also said that he paid $4,000 per month in child support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.121.81 (talk) 05:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The washington post reports that he has an illegitimate child from a long affair - how come there isn't a sex section detailing his sexuality? A person who attacks others' characters should have his personal life published as well. Here's the source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/morris.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.231.102 (talk) 16:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, if his wife respectd him enough to take his last name he'd have kept it in his pants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.176.138 (talk) 16:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Autistic?

"In the book "Behind the Oval Office" Morris relates he may have had some autistic tendencies as a child, such as assortive behavior and a desire to socialize with adults." There are only 8 google hits for "assortive behavior" in Google, half of them referening Morris. I would expect many more hits if it were a term of art asociated with autism. The term means wanting to associate with one's own kind (other children in this context), which contradicts the meaning of the sentance. 12.10.223.247 02:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Learn about topics you purport to edit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

"shows unusual attachments to toys, objects, or schedules (i.e., always holding a string or having to put socks on before pants). spends a lot of time stacking objects, lining things up or putting things in a certain order."

also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

If you do not believe assortive behavior and a lack of socail interaction with age appropriate peers is not a sign of autism, then you don;t get out much, do you?

It could also be OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Behavior).

128.138.230.147 00:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. Do OCD kids find it difficult to relate to age appropriate peers? In any event, Morris himself made the point. As the father of a child on the spectrum I'm inclined to think he was right

Dick Morris Named Customer by Madam

From The New York Times.

"Mr. Tobias is the third prominent Washington figure to be identified as among Ms. Palfrey’s clients. This month, she identified an adviser to the Pentagon as “one of the regular customers” of her service. She included in a court filing and posted on her Web site the man’s photo and tax records. Dick Morris, the television commentator and former adviser to President Bill Clinton, who resigned in 1996 after reports that he was seeing a prostitute, was also a customer, Ms. Palfrey’s lawyer has said in court. Mr. Morris has denied the accusation."

[1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonaro (talk • contribs) 16:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato

I removed "Morris has been criticized for his failed predictions by University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato". We don't need to add every comment here. Also, don't need to add the commentary about non subject of article. --Tom 12:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

paragraph on Century of the Self Part 4 in "Other Work" section

this paragraph should be either drastically improved or removed.--Rich Peterson130.86.14.90 (talk) 01:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Videos he made

He is he not involved in the making of 'Hillary: The Movie'? Contralya (talk) 15:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for Citation on Dick Morris' article, Guest commentator and political prognosticator section

If you go to any blog where someone has responded to Dick Morris' statement on Edward's voters you will see multiple people saying what Dick Morris said is Dick Morris is saying what he is thinking rather than basing his statement on fact.

This is, as I mentioned in the article, public opinion and I do not know how to correctly cite it. Do we have to cite every public reaction to show consensus? Adding multiple citations at the end of the paragraph from different sources would be just as ridiculous as trying to show one response from a single group responding to a single blog post.

Would it be all right to write one article that points to public reaction over a host of different places and then cite that article? I want to prevent clutter.

For the time being I am going to move the current citation on the event after the second to last sentence in the paragraph I edited because the transcripts there will show that Morris did offer a vague answer to Colmes question. I would like someone to help me figure out how to best show a citation about public reaction before correcting the citation at the end of the paragraph.--Docjay8406 (talk) 00:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

My objection is to the sentence, "Public response in blogs and news comments is that his comment is not observation of others as much as it is personal projection." because the sentence criticizes Dick Morris with an ill-defined,unnamed attackers "public response". Who is -specifically- are these people? I am uneasy about it because the criticism is ad hominem criticism of Dick Morris. If you don't know already, ad hominem criticism is highly objectionable because it does not answer the point, but rather attacks the person making the point. The sentence should be rewritten, Person A commented about the incident, " blah, blah, blah" cite. Where Person A is famous enough to already have his own wiki page, and thus, is notable. Moreover, using Person A's exact words means that whomever comes later will be less likely to quarrel with the interpretation of the event. Just pick one person who makes the attack and use their words rather than making generalized statements.RobRedactor (talk) 05:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I see that no blogger who commented on Dick Morris' comment and wrote a main article said anything about projection. John Amato did insinuate that Dick Morris says controversial things for money's sake. It is also ad hominem attack though. I'm striking the last line. I see John Amato's blog is in Wikipedia but Amato does not have an entry himself. So I'm not sure it would be ok to include Amato's comment about Morris and money. I'm a little irked now that the paragraph has only two sentences lol. Do you think it's ok to add one last line quoted from Amato or should the last line just be removed. -Docjay8406 (talk) 20:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Merging sections

I'm not sure why there was an entire section called "Scandals" when the only thing outside the prostitution issue was a comparatively insignificant sentence about tax evasion. I merged this and the Hillary section into the Clintons and divided it into subsections. However, I couldn't find anywhere that the tax evasion sentence really fit in and I'm not sure it needs to be there. If someone has an idea or opinion, feel free to note it here and we can discuss. Thompsontough (talk) 00:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I've also removed a section that seems intended solely to make Morris look bad. It was under "Other work" and consisted of: On April 9, 2003, Morris said that "Over the next couple of weeks, when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing... the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years." When I read that, my reaction was, "So what? Did he do anything notable other than happening to be wrong?" If there's more to this, please elaborate. Not taking sides - it simply isn't a section in and of itself. Thompsontough (talk) 00:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

References

Sexism

On the FOX News's show Hannity and Colmes Dick Morris was quoted saying, "a man would never of had to go through this," in reference to the vetting of Sarah Palin. "It's the deep sexism that runs through our society."

Yet during the Democratic primaries, when asked about Hillary Clinton's claims of sexism, Mr. Morris responded saying, "when a woman wants to be President, she shouldn't complain based on gender. I'm going to go home because the big boys are picking on me. What happens when the boys in the Middle East or the boys who run Russia or the boys who run China start picking on you? Are we going to have a President of the United States saying the boys are picking on me? This is what Hillary always does. Whenever she gets under fire, she retreats behind the apron strings." --165.123.226.170 (talk) 23:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

It might MIGHT work in a section on work in a section on Dick Morris in pop culture references that cites that this hypocrisy was framed on a Jon Stewart segment. The segment made the rounds on the internet and went above the threshhold of the normal political back and forth. --216.69.223.249 (talk) 22:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

References

Character

Regarding sexism, would it be notable and appropriate to quote Jon Stewart's assessment of Morris as "a lying sack of shit?" Among the large number of Daily Show viewers who saw this clip, this is the most salient assessment of Morris's biography. -- 66.32.107.130 (talk)

No. Tom 02:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

An assessment from a comedian is neither relevant nor reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.118.155 (talk) 05:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The verbal characterization of Mr. Morris as "a lying sack of shit" may or may not be appropriate or inappropriate to quote, depending on how you interpret the biographies of living persons policy, but since Mr. Stewart used video of the contradictory quotations, he is certainly both relevant and reliable, regardless of the opinion of the Anonymous Coward posting from 24.126.118.155. -- Davidkevin (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I have substituted the daily show link for an article published in the Globe and Mail. I think this is an appropriate WP:RS for the material in question. Adding in a link to the daily show clips might also help, but we should have the claim first backed up by a Reliable source, then secondary links as appropriate. TharsHammar ^Bits and^Pieces 16:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

References

crooksandliars.com

Is this a reliable source? There is some "material" about comments Morris made about Edwards that are unsourced. Is this material noteworthy? I just removed the stuff about Obama. We don't need to add something everytime he opens his mouth. Anyways, Tom (talk) 14:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

CrooksandLiars is a progressive blog, and as such should not be used as a source. They usually link to actually sources, so you might want to have a look at what sources they use in the blog post that has been used as a reference. TharsHammar ^Bits and^Pieces 14:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I see they have their own article. I would not include them as a citation. --Tom (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree about not quoting Morris every time he opens his mouth. It's useful, however, to let the reader know his general attitude toward the current administration. Furthermore, his attack on Obama that referenced the "crazies in Montana" attracted more attention than most of his utterances, because of his apparently favorable attitude toward killing BATF agents. I've added that quotation (sourced to a mainstream newspaper, bolstered by a Media Matters link that has the actual clip of Morris), in lieu of the quotation that you properly removed. JamesMLane t c 05:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I still don't think this is very significant. Again, are we going to include "stuff" everytime he opens his mouth and somebody editorializes about it into his bio? Also, not sure how "mainstream" the arkansas daily news or whatever that ediotrial is from is :). Anyways, --Tom (talk) 12:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Fallout

The following text was removed by Tom [2]

The Telegraph also alleged that Morris had a preference for "toe-sucking and dominance," and that he regaled Rowlands with a version of "Popeye the Sailor Man," performed in his underpants. It has also been alleged that he had a propensity for allowing prostitutes to urinate in his mouth.

I propose re-wording this to the following, and including references. There could be much more written about this, but I feel as though the above paragraph adequately captures the story without being too detailed, and also properly says the information is allegations made by Sherry Rowlands. TharsHammar ^Bits and^Pieces 13:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The Electronic Telegraph, along with Star Magazine and Hardcopy, reported unverified claims that in order to impress the woman, Sherry Rowlands, Morris invited her to listen in on conversations with the President. Rowlands also alleged that Morris liked to suck her toes, got down on all fours "like a dog", and that he "once danced like Popeye the sailor dressed only in underwear".

Certainly there needs to be some information that this was not garden-variety incident of adulterous visits to a prostitute. The phrase "toe-sucking and dominance" is a verbatim quotation from the Electronic Telegraph article, so I'd favor including it -- I generally feel more comfortable with verbatim quotations than with paraphrases. That article isn't cited in any of the versions of our text. It's available through the Internet Archive here and I'd use that link if no other is available. JamesMLane t c 23:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The popeye is also a direct quotation from the Washington Times archive. Unfortunately that one isn't available for free, but if you have Lexis access you can check it out. TharsHammar ^Bits and^Pieces 23:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

References

NPOV

The On female presidential candidates is a clear WP:NPOV violation. To create a subsection with the only purpose of making him look like a hypocrite should not be tolerated. The Red Peacock (talk) 03:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The subsection presents his views on a public issue, one that gained much added significance in 2008 with the emergence of two major female candidates for national office. Covering it up just to spare him embarrassment is what would be POV. JamesMLane t c 05:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Panetta quotation

An anon has removed, as allegedly "unnecessary", the following passage:

In the words of Clinton's Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, "I always had the feeling that the president wanted to listen to the dark side, even though he clearly knew in his guts where the issues were and what he wanted to do. He always wanted to listen to the Morris voice to kind of say, what are the thoughts of the most extreme kind of manipulative operation that could go on in politics? I want to hear that voice. I want to hear what he's thinking."

I think it's valuable to the article to have this assessment of Morris's role in Clinton's team, from another member of the team who had first-hand knowledge. Unfortunately, however, I can't find a good source. The passage appears on a few sites that are uncredited ripoffs of the Wikipedia article. It's quoted by some people who don't give a source and are probably relying on us.

The quotation does appear on this page by the International Association of Speakers Bureaus. If you have $15,001 to $25,000 burning a hole in your pocket, you can book Morris to come speak. Nevertheless, even though this page is apparently put up by Morris's own flacks to try to get him speaking gigs, it seems to be just a cut-and-paste from our article. (There are quotation marks but no attribution.)

One would hope that Morris would have vetted his agent's description of him, but I don't have enough confidence in his integrity to go with this quotation just on the basis that it's on a site like this. I'd like to restore the quotation, but until someone can find adequate sourcing, I'm leaving it out. JamesMLane t c 18:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Toe-sucking hooker scandal

Who deleted the information on his scandal? I see he's still in the sex scandal category, but someone censored the article. --26C4 21:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by I'm 26C4 my shirt (talk • contribs)

Whatchu talking about, Willis? Does Gary Coleman know about this? Are they friends? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.124.196 (talk) 09:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC) 173.16.124.196 (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)THERE, I signed it. Happy now?

NPOV? Should This Article Be Re-titled: The Mistakes of Morris? or Morris Fails Again?

Is it my imagination, or does this article emphasize the errors of Morris? Did he not make any correct predictions? (EnochBethany (talk) 13:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC))

Weasel Words

This is a hatchet job. Note the weasel words" "He has been described as . . . ." No doubt Morris has been described many, many ways, by many, many persons. To pick some negative description (like "most ruthless") out of a multitude of descriptions, is just a hatchet job. How about, "He has been described as "an altar boy" and as "a cuddly teddy bear"? (EnochBethany (talk) 13:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC))

Dick Morris is wrong about Officer Wilson

On 8/19/14, Morris asserted that Officer Wilson should come forward and answer Q/A regarding his role in shooting Brown. My view is this would be a catastrophe. Let Brown's lawyers speak to the issues. While Attorney General Eric Holder, NAACP, ACLU, Jesse Brown, and others descend on Ferguson, their intent is no other than to fleece this cop - the hell with due process and assumed innocence.

The facts are Brown assaulted a clerk, stole cigars, was high on dope, and then confronted a cop. Media assertions that "this child" [6.5 and 285 lbs]is innocent of wrong-doing and that Officer Wilson willfully sought to harm a black adult is absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.123.162 (talk) 20:23, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Birthday

This video from 2013 clarifies his birthday: http://www.dickmorris.com/the-politics-of-thanksgiving-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.168.221 (talk) 14:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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