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Requested move 9 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: I am finding consensus to move because of ItsPugle's research. "It's better English" is not a very strong argument to make in terms of WP:AT. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 00:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Departmental secretary → Department secretary – As per WP:CONCISE. There's no reason to use the longer and awkward adjective over the cleaner noun. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 12:00, 9 September 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. How on earth does an extra two letters make the current form "awkward"? It's better English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's awkward in that it sounds like a generic secretary within a public department, rather than a department secretary. If there wasn't a distinction between the two, then how could it be better English? Anyways, it's two unnecessary characters regardless - the semantics are still conveyed without them. The role is also called "department secretary" in HQRS: doi:10.1111/j.1467-8500.2007.00524.x, the websites of shadow ministers, and even federal government department websites. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 08:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The article title should be whatever they are most commonly called in Australia. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- +1 for the comment by Rreagan007. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:53, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like "department secretary" is the most common term on Google Ngrams, the same with Google Trends. A quick Google also shows that Australian government websites also use "department secretary":

I think this all pretty well covers WP:COMMONNAME too then! ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 01:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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