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Orta pled guilty to a weapons violation and sale of heroin—there seems to be no evidence, other than his unsupported allegations, that his arrest and prosecutions were related to his video recording of Garner's arrest. Ditto the "poisoning" and other abuse at Rikers, which appears totally unsubstantiated and is cited in only a single article. It seem fine to include his name as the person who videoed Garner's arrest—but barring anything other than innuendo and unsubstantiated jailhouse complaints, the rest seems to be WP:POV and totally irrelevant to Garner's arrest and death in custody. Elle Kpyros (talk) 23:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Uh the title of the article is killing of Eric Garner. Reliable sources overwhelmingly say he was killed or murdered. How is it non-neutral to say killed? nableezy - 17:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Im referring to the hidden message in the lead saying do not use killed instead of died as it is non-neutral. Why is it non-neutral and why should an article titled killing of Eric Garner (so titled because presumably that is the common way of referring to it in reliable sources) not say Eric Garner was killed? Sure, no murder conviction so cant say murdered, but what exactly is non-neutral about killed? nableezy - 18:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ive tried to find any discussion the archives that gives any type of consensus for forbidding the use of killing and I cannot find one, certainly nothing after this article was moved to killing. Can somebody please tell me why that hidden note is there, and why killing is not neutral? nableezy - 04:13, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't even notice that. And I agree that doesn't make sense. It should be removed. The medical examiner ruled it a homicide, therefore it was a killing. EvergreenFir(talk)04:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
