Talk:Cynthia Cary

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On 23 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Cynthia Roche to Cynthia Cary. The result of the discussion was moved.

User:Uncle G infor to be added

I was going to give Richard Arthur Norton a tap on the shoulder about this. Here are some bits and pieces: I gave the ISBN and page number of the source documenting Mrs Arthur Scott Burden's introduction of Diabolo to Newport in the discussion. The information about John Russell Pope and the country house is on page 73 of ISBN 9780847820863, as well as in contemporaneous sources such as the 1919 issue of The Architectural review and the 1917 issue of The New international year book (Frank Moore Colby; Dodd, Mead and Co.). Cynthia Roche Burden's children can be found listed in the 1960 Who was who in America. A blurb for C. Edmond Brock's portrait of Cynthia Cary can be found in the catalogue of the Newport Art Museum, ISBN 9781584650188, on page 298. There's additional supporting sourcing for the Cynthia Cary Collection on pages 36–37 of America's membership libraries (ISBN 9781584561996). Uncle G (talk) 03:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved: Cynthia Roche -> Cynthia Cary; Mary Cynthia Roche -> Mary Roche (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 15:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cynthia Roche → ?
Mary Cynthia Roche → ?

– These two ladies are both members of the Roche family (see category), although their exact relation is lost on me. My instinct is that Cynthia Roche should be converted to a dab page, but I'm unsure on how to disambiguate the two articles since I'm not too familiar with British noble titles and the article title conventions in this area. A thread I created at WT:PEERAGE asking for input has not yielded any responses, so I'm opening a requested move to get more input. Thanks – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 06:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move Cynthia Roche → Cynthia Cary, her name for 44 years and the name by which she seems most commonly known. Move Mary Cynthia Roche → Mary Roche, the name by which she was clearly best-known. Leave Cynthia Roche as a redirect to Cynthia Cary, as Mary Cynthia Roche doesn't appear to have been known as Cynthia Roche. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp: I'd tentatively oppose a move to Mary Roche—many sources refer to her either by the current title or her full name Mary Cynthia Burke Roche (see e.g. [1][2][3][4][5][6]). Furthermore, a Google search for "Mary Roche" turns up a slew of different people, while a search for "Mary Cynthia Roche" pulls up her specific knowledge panel.
Moving Cynthia Roche to Cynthia Cary could be reasonable. Sources appear somewhat split, although I don't have access to a lot of the old newspaper articles. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After further thought, I'm inclined to support a move from Cynthia Roche → Cynthia Cary. This aligns with her authority control records (ISNI, VIAF, LCCN), and it does appear that more sources favor her married name. I'm still inclined to ~~oppose~~ a move from Mary Cynthia Roche → Mary Roche, since many sources use a fuller version of her name. (I note that she published her book under the name Mary Burke Roche, and this is what her authority control records use as well.) I don't feel too strongly on this point though; really any version of her name would be fine for the article title. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, of course genealogical sources refer to her by her full name. But most obituaries and other sources just call her Mary Roche, which appears to be her clear WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point on the genealogical sources, I've updated my comment. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 06:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move Mary Cynthia Roche to Mary Roche per recognisability (both citations and all the authority control links use Mary not Mary Cynthia) and conciseness. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify for the closer, I support the following: move Cynthia Roche → Cynthia Cary and move Mary Cynthia Roche → Mary Roche as discussed above. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 06:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.