Talk:Dáil Éireann confidence motions

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Éireann or Eireann

[moved from User talk:Jnestorius]

Hey, I see you undid my edit on Dáil Éireann where I changed Eireann to Éireann here. You mentioned that quote as in source. Many official English sources until the 1990s omitted any síne fada on capital letters.

Did you look at the source for the quote before undoing my edit. I can see in the source that it is quoted as Éireann.

Was I wrong in changing it to reflect the actual quote? ~ Ablaze (talk) 06:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The intended source for the wording is reference d2 not reference 4. You can see the original printed version in this Google Books snippet. I agree that it's not clear from inspecting the table which reference is intended for the Motion on that row (only by analogy with the other rows, most of which reference only the Dáil transcript, not any secondary source). Perhaps it would help to avoid such uncertainty if the Dáil references were put in a separate column, like the "Debate" column in this mockup:

Date^{[t 1]}	Govt No.	Govt parties	Proposer^{[t 1]}	Govt majority (votes)	Motion^{[t 1]}	Context	Debate^{[t 1]}

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d The Debate column cites the Dáil debates; unless otherwise noted, this is the reference for the Date, Proposer and Motion.

jnestorius^(talk) 09:27, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did not see that original source next to the date. I guess the quoted text I used for the edit is itself incorrectly quoted. Good spot! ~ Ablaze (talk) 10:14, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Truncating the motion

I have reverted this edit which has summary "No need to do a full copy and paste from the entire Motion of No Confidence from the Dail Business. Too much information for one table". Some points:

I don't think it's too much information; it's useful context.
Why only abbreviate this one motion, as opposed to the other long ones on earlier rows of the table?
I don't think truncating the motion is the best way to abbreviate it. For one thing, the actual effective clause "resolves that it has no confidence in the current Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Green Party coalition Government" was deleted. More generally, deciding how to abbreviate requires editorial decisions that we would be better off not making.

jnestorius^(talk) 21:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[debate-1] The Debate column cites the Dáil debates; unless otherwise noted, this is the reference for the Date, Proposer and Motion.

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