Talk:Comet (TV network)

Cleanup needed: Excessively long sentences

There's a lot of good information here, but too much of it is contained within excessively long sentences. The use of parenthetical statements is also a bit much. Of particular concern:

"Although Sinclair Television Group and MGM would jointly own the channel, most of the network's operations – including programming – would be handled by MGM, in an arrangement more expansive than the responsibilities it maintains for the company's existing multicast network joint ventures This TV and The Works (for those networks, MGM mainly provides programming content and handles national distribution)."

"The network is the first national multi-casting venture by Sinclair Broadcast Group, which began leveraging its expansive national station reach (at the time of the announcement, Sinclair operated 162 television stations in 79 markets, the most of any U.S. broadcaster, many of which are run under local marketing and shared services agreements with a station that the group owns outright) by owning more of its content, through the acquisition of the Ring of Honor wrestling promotion in 2011, and later with the 2014 launch of the American Sports Network syndication service and an investment/development deal with The Tornante Company (owned by former Walt Disney Company CEO Michael Eisner) that was announced concurrently with the formation of Comet."

"Comet relies on programming that is sourced from the extensive library of films and television programming owned by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and subsidiary United Artists (with the notable exclusions of MGM's library of film and television series made prior to May 1986, the Associated Artists Productions (a.a.p.) library, and the U.S. rights to the RKO Pictures library, whose rights are currently held by Time Warner through its Turner Entertainment subsidiary), carrying more than 1,500 hours worth of programming from the studio."

"Several Sinclair stations are using Comet to replace ZUUS Country on a subchannel carrying the country music video network (continuing a phaseout of the network on Sinclair's television stations that began in January 2015, when the group began its affiliation agreement with Katz Broadcasting-owned Grit); as is already done by some Sinclair stations with their subchannels, the Comet-affiliated subchannel will likely carry sports events from the American Sports Network during prime time under local scheduling to avert network programming pre-emptions on the parent station's main channel in markets where it is carried by a station operated by Sinclair or another broadcaster which acts as an ASN broadcast partner."

Gmporr (talk) 00:40, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Agreed — just made some edits to try and help with this but it still needs some work. The Sinclair bits in particular are rambly and borderline tangential. Withdrawretreat (talk) 03:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

MGM partnership

MGM partnership the more I look into it doesn't seem to be an ownership stake.

• Sources for joint ownership:

1. wvxu.org ".. Comet, jointly owned by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and the Sinclair Television Group,.."
2. Sinclair Broadcast exceeds second-quarter profit forecasts: "In June, Sinclair and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer formed a partnership to create a science fiction multi-channel network, "Comet TV."
3. Sinclair Revs Original Programming Activity With MGM, Tornante Deals: "The MGM deal calls for Sinclair to launch a digital multicast channel devoted to sci-fi movies and TV shows from the MGM vault, including Bryan Fuller’s cult-fave series 'Dead Like Me.'" "The unnamed MGM channel is targeted to debut in the fourth quarter of this year, with coverage in about 30% of U.S. TV households."

• Sources for Sinclair only ownership:

1. Sinclair to Launch Network with MGM: "Operating what sounds like a shared services agreement, Sinclair will own the network while MGM will handle the programming and operations."
2. Sinclair, MGM Partner on New Sci-Fi Diginet: "Sinclair will own the multichannel network, which will fall under the purview of co-COO Steve Pruett, while MGM will contribute programming."
3. Sinclair Broadcast Group And Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Partner On First Ever Science Fiction Multi-Channel Network: "Sinclair Television Group, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: SBGI) ("Sinclair"), and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer ("MGM"), today announced a partnership to jointly create, develop, distribute and air the first ever 24 hour/7 day per week science fiction multi-channel network which will feature over 1,500 hours of premium MGM content. Under the ownership of Sinclair Television Group, MGM will handle certain operations of the network, including programming, ..." (bold added)
4. Sinclair Broadcast forms venture with former Disney CEO Eisner to create TV shows: "Sinclair will own the network, to debut in the fourth quarter in just under a third of the United States, and MGM will handle programming."
5. Sinclair, MGM Team on Sci-Fi Multi-Channel Network: "Sinclair Television Group owns the channel, with MGM handling network operations, including programming. Steve Pruett, Sinclair Television Group co-chief operating officer, will oversee the venture."
6. [1]: "© 2015 Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. "

So, at this point, the article will be changed unless any other source can show definitive that MGM is an owner. Spshu (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing

@Electricburst1996:, You demanded that I be consistent with my stance at LAFF. Now you are being inconsistent by removing a PRIMARY source because you decided it isn't sufficient then attack me for removing other primary sourced information. WP:BURDEN shifts to you to properly source the information before it is returned. Spshu (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Spshu: Well what if no secondary sources exist for the material in question? Also, I wasn't attacking you. Calling you a "thin-skinned basement-dweller" would be attacking you. ElectricBurst^{(Electron firings)}_(Zaps) 17:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Then at this level of detail, programming, then it is UNDUE and should not be in the article. Spshu (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

R9tgokunks's source, a TVNews Check article, for Mystery Science Theater 3000 solved the outstanding issues over the article. Spshu (talk) 22:30, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Directory issue

@Oknazevad:, can you explain how this the list of programs is violating NOTDIRECTORY. I have attempt to keep it from doing so by only providing those that are in non-primary source (see above regarding sourcing). Thus program listing - given mostly secondary reliable news sources - thus follows NOTDIR "mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." I do see some primary sources did slip in. Thus, if you agree to return the program list that those cited by primary sources be removed, except for the initial show (non-infomercial; if that is only source by primary source) as that seems a bit significance.

@Mrschimpf:, sorry to reverse you, but a) it was unsourced and b) resolving the directory issue should restore the source for MST3K. So, I suggest you join the discussion. Spshu (talk) 16:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Because it is merely an easily dated list of programs. If there was some context and explanatory text about the nature of the programs, that'd be different. As it is, it's just a directory of which reruns air here. oknazevad (talk) 16:38, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

"..should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, etc." A dated list of programs is not a current schedule. Not listing all programs similar to "Likewise an article on a business should not contain a list of all the company's patent filings." substituting programs for patents does get the list around NOTDIRECTORY - not all programming is to be listed. I think you reading it too strict. A TV schedule requires having the hour and days of the week, not of which was in the list. Then you would except a return with a statement above the list to the effect that the list is only of those programs noted as significant by the media mention them in their coverage of the network? Of course removing those primary sourced. Spshu (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Source has been added; sorry for forgetting to add that. Do what you will with it (also corrected some spelling errors, but nothing changed otherwise). Nate • (chatter) 18:45, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

@Oknazevad:, all you did was make other editors start two list of programming on Comet articles to circumvent your issue. The movie list is clearly problematic as it is source from zap2it TV schedule which can not be verified. Spshu (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC)