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This case has tremendous potential to become either the greatest smuggling case or the greatest case of counterfeiting in recorded history; let's expand this article and find out what happens. Take care. ProfessorPaul (talk) 01:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Counterfeiting it is!

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And the Italian Mafia is blamed--still--one question: Why were the two (apparently) Japanese nationals in their 50s detained, questioned, and then RELEASED? Why were they released and not charged? Take care. ProfessorPaul (talk) 05:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If those Japanese gentlemen were criminals trying to smuggle fake bonds worth of 134 billion US Dollars, releasing them with the bonds would not be the most natural thing to do. So: What if they were not criminals at all, those bonds were not fake and the Italian police had no reason to hold them? What do you think about that explanation? Uikku (talk) 04:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If the bonds, as you perhaps suggest, are authentic, then the Italian officials could have imposed and collected a 40 percent fine for the international transport of undeclared bonds; the Italian government would have made BILLIONS. Hmmmm. This case is very mysterious to me, and I appreciate your work on this article. Take care. ProfessorPaul (talk) 03:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How can those bonds be authentic? In 1934, total U.S. government debt was not even 50 billions US$, so 134 billions in a suitcase is a bit of a stretch. The boring explanation is: those papers are props for con artists. Since 134 billions in 1934 are totally implausible, this stunt can't possibly erode trust in the dollar.

another case

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apparently it has happened again! [1] [2] --Melaen (talk) 17:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another case--translated

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Facinating! A second incident of bond smuggling. Here is a translation from Italian to English of the second link above--the www.corriere.it source (courtesy of www.babelfish.yahoo.com):

'Stopped Japanese and Philippine: perhaps they tried a swindle The mystery of the bond is made Billions towards Switzerland Government bonds USA. “They go back to years '30” MALPENSA (Varese) - Already before the time seemed impossible: 131 billions (billions) of USA dollars in tito them of State seized in a blow only to two Japanese. Italian-Swiss of Uproar happened at the beginning of june to the railway frontier. Mystery on their origin and their destination. Now the mystery is multiplied for two because slid August a nearly identical stock of bond Americans has been intercepted to the airport of Malpensa in the baggage of two Philippine ones directed in Switzerland: this time quite 180 billions of dollars, the equivalent of the debit of a Country as they Brasi, roba in a position to terremotare the entire financial market of the planet. Who is trying to place an amount of bond and obligations for an equal value to two points of pil American? And what would have happened if to Uproar and Malpensa the men in uniform were not taken part? To make to re-enter the alarm partially there is a news of the last hour that trapela from investigative atmospheres: the titles blocked them to Malpensa are nearly sure of the stains. And nearly sure it they are also those of Uproar because the two cargos belonged nearly entire to the same game: tito them - in appearance - emitted from the government American in years '30, to the next day of the Great Depression. The Financial police of Malpensa attends in the next hours a mail from the United States: it would be the confirmation that transported from the two Philippine ones is in reality single paper straccia. “But certainly nobody has interest to say that the bond of Malpensa and Chiasso they are true…” maliciously leaves to escape one of the enquirers. Without a doubt: if the titles them came puttinges all to the proceeds, USA finances would go in a flash to bottom and the State would have to declare bankruptcy. But the yellow financial remains all. The last chapter it has written to Ferragosto the financiers to from Milan airport, controlling the content of two valigette 24 hours in the hands of a brace of travellers with Philippine passport: 180 billions of dollars, seppur not cash, a sbalorditiva figure however and without precedence. The two make dumb scene of forehead the questions of the enquirers and for they it releases (and it lasts) the arrest, also because the Finance before has very present how much happened two months to their colleagues of Uproar. To first of june, on a train directed to Basel two are distinguished Japanese gentleman, Akihiro Yamaguchi and Mitsuyoshi Watanabe: in a double hull of their suitcases there are bond Americans for 131 billions of dollars. A small part of the cargo is constituted from “Kennedy bonds” emitted till the years '90 and thus calls because they bring back the effigie of the killed president to Dallas; the majority, instead, is tito them antecedent the Second World war. “To the financiers the two said that it be a matter itself worthless of reperti historical”, lawyer comasco Maximum Scopelliti remembers who was called like court-appointed attorney. He will be, but because to hide of the souvenir in a double hull? Yamaguchi and Mitsuyoshi come quickly released from the Italian authorities and from then they are disappeared. The news nearly makes quickly the turn of the world triggering species in the USA official reactions and imaginative conjectures. A photo of the titles seized them comes sent via mail to the 19 Washington and june Stephen Meyerhardt, spokesman of the Treasure American declares: “Those titles them are made”. But the judgment is based alone on a scannerizzata image and a consideration: of those obligations in years '30 they turn out some emitted for a value of 105 billions, much less therefore than seized to Uproar. One joins to the chorus also Darrin Blackford, “spokeman” of the Cia that the 25 june declares: “Those titles them have not been emitted from the USA government”. But the sources, although official, they do not reassure the American press: Financial Times succeeds in to assume the zampino of the Mafia in the traffic of the bond, but it is only a hypothesis that appears more dictated from the folclore (if those titles them come from Italy, must by force be us of means the Godfather). The “cargo from 11” us puts instead some day after agency Asia News and the journalist American Hal Turner: the titles them are true and the Japanese government is trying to liquidate them because he does not believe more in the possibilities of the USA government to make forehead its public debit; to support of the thesis he comes added an evocative detail: one of the two businessmen Japanese journeyed from Uproar is become related with high a managing one of the Japanese Treasure. But Turner is not in a position to citing the sources of its scoop and the talked nonsense one is reduced to a simple fire of artifice. On Internet to this point a new version circulates: during the Second war, various belligerent Countries have printed and put in circulation currency and tito them of the enemy Countries perfectly counterfeit. Here because of the Japanese (or the Philippine ones) they are in possession of tito them Americans of the years ' 30, here because how much seizing to Chiasso and Malpensa can be thrown in the basket. If also thus it were, remains in feet a question mark: which it was the scope of the couriers of the bond? According to sources of the Italian Finance the objective era to deposit of a small part in Swiss banks to mo' of guarantee and hoping in this way to obtain cash. No planetary earthquake financial, insomma, but only a version of Totò and Peppino with the eyes to almond. A definitive answer is attended in the next days: to Como a commission of USA experts will gather that will examine “de visu” the bond of Uproar, the Finance of Malpensa announces the closing of surveyings for the next days. Claudius Of the Friar 20 september 2009.

ProfessorPaul (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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