Talk:Cheese on toast

Cheese on toast not Welsh rarebit, and vice versa

Please refer to Talk:Welsh rarebit for discussion of the differences between cheese on toast (commonplace established procedure but no strict rules, melted cheese on toast) and Welsh rarebit (formal recipes by many culinary authorities, cheese sauce on toast). Having both in the same article seemed to be unhelpful and the subject of constant debate, the outcome of which is reasonably consistently that the two are not at all the same thing. I will add some references for this new page. ProfDEH (talk) 20:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Garden-path parse corrected.

I just noticed the lead sentence of the article: Cheese on toast is a snack made by melting cheese on toast. It's now been edited to be less mind-boggling, but collectors of garden-path parses may wish to note the original as an interesting example. --Kay Dekker (talk) 12:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Huh?

"Although often confused with Welsh rarebit (or rabbit), the cheese isn't melted." ... This makes me think that cheese on toast is just a piece of cheese on a piece of toast (really?) but the photo shows (extremely) melted cheese. If it IS melted, then please explain what the actual difference is between this and Welsh rarebit, because I don't understand at this point. If it isn't melted, then a) find another photo and b) ... consider merging with "cheese sandwich." (And yes, I feel the same way about "Cheese Dream.") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.111.57.127 (talk) 03:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Cheese on toast is cheese melted on toast. You would typically toast one side of the bread, turn it over, stick on a few slices of cheese, then stick it under the grill again until the cheese melts. The bit about cheese not being melted is wrong. Welsh rarebit is not cheese on toast, but a similar dish with extra stuff, such as egg or sauces. That's why they are separate articles - one is a quick tasty snack, the other is more of an actual meal. Claiming the two are equivalent a bit like claiming that a tin of Heinz tomato soup is the same as a fine Gazpacho from Andalusia. The articles were split a few years back; they should certainly not be re-merged. El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 11:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Welsh rarebit is toast with cheese sauce on it and then grilled. The sauce contains ingredients like egg yolk, milk, worcestershire sauce, mustard, sometimes beer etc (and cheese).Orlando098 (talk) 07:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

The picture

The current picture is bloody awful. It looks like someone's just poured melted cheese all over a plate that happened to have a couple of slices of thoroughly untoasted bread on it. The cheese certainly doesn't look like it's been melted under the grill while on the bread... how could that amount of cheese stay on the bread and only fall spill off once it's been put on the plate? eyeball226 (talk) 03:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, it would be great if someone could come up with a better picture. In fact, considering how easy it is to "make" cheese on toast, it's astonishing quite how badly the photographer has managed to screw it up. Quietbritishjim (talk) 21:27, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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"if said correctly" - what?

"Cheese on toast or toasted cheese (or, if said correctly roasted cheese)" - is this some Scots speaker having a laugh? "Roasted cheese" might be "correct" in Scotland, as the article says further on down, but it is certainly not the generally correct name for cheese on toast. Can someone delete the words in brackets, please. Zythophile (talk) 00:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

AKA Mousetraps

This piece references Welsh Rarebit as a similar but slightly different recipe yet I've never actually heard either it or cheese on toast used to describe a dish. Cheese on toast sounds similar to toasted cheese sandwiches but in practice are very different - the latter is 2 slices of bread toasted in a sandwich maker with cheese and anything else as a filling e.g. onion, mushroom, tomato. What this article calls cheese on toast seems to simply be an alternative/regional name for Mousetraps. Should the article be updated to reflect variations in naming conventions and an addition made to the mousetrap page? 2001:44B8:2104:4600:78AD:2D9E:E2D6:ED51 (talk) 11:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Merger discussion

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Propose that Cheese dream be merged with this article. They're the same thing. Sections can be made for regional/country variations. Tengu99 (talk) 05:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely. How did that article survive for so long? I had a cheese-induced fever dream episode last night and was expecting an article about it at that name, not a article about cheese on toast . Neatly95 (talk) 11:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Are they the same thing? The history section (and some of its sources) also describe the term being used for a regular cheese sandwich "browned on both sides" - grilled cheese rather than cheese on toast. Did the meaning change later in the 20th century? Belbury (talk) 15:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Possibly, but it does seem to have varied. This article has a grilled cheese sandwich being referred to as a Cheese Dream in 1916: https://columbiametro.com/article/living-the-cheese-dream/. This article from 1908 has a grilled cheese sandwich referred to as Cheese Dreams: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1908-08-23/ed-1/seq-13/ However, this one states it's open-faced: https://www.sandwichtribunal.com/2020/09/i-dream-of-cheeses/ The I Hate to Cook Book by Peg Bracken from 1960 has it as open faced.Tengu99 (talk) 16:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I think the merit of the Cheese Dream being a product of the Great Depression and it's own variation with a specific set of steps entitle it to remain it's own separate article. 2601:348:580:BB0:BD01:8391:EFAE:9E2 (talk) 18:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I get that, but it was named such BEFORE the Great Depression, though this seemed to refer to grilled cheese sandwiches rather than the open faced version. Maybe it would be better to merge it into grilled cheese as an open faced variation, and also include the existing information to show that they were popular during the depression as a cost savings measure?Tengu99 (talk) 20:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, cheese on toast could be merged into grilled cheese sandwich. Maybe make a new section there called Open Faced Sandwiches and add cheese dream and cheese on toast info?Tengu99 (talk) 20:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Support merge as initially proposed. The topics heavily overlap; Cheese on toast is the least startling title for a merged page, and therefore better. While there's also an argument for a merging involving Grilled cheese, that page is currently discussing only toasted sandwich; it seems reasonable to keep the (open) cheese on toast separate. Klbrain (talk) 10:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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