Talk:Charles Bronson (prisoner)

Nationality

The page is in, amongst other categories, English criminals, English artists, and English writers. The man's from Aberystwyth! That's in Wales! Not England! Okay, so he moved around, but the majority of his life outside was spent in Wales. So surely he's Welsh?

It seems the categories have been replaced with 'British criminals', etc. That seems uncontroversial, but personally I don't see any problem with putting him in the Welsh versions of those categories. We've already got him in Category:People from Aberystwyth, which is part of Category:Welsh people anyway. Robofish (talk) 12:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

The only way English categories would apply is if his parents are / were English or if he considers himself English. Does anyone know if that is the case? Merely living in England for years would be insufficient. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 07:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Born in Luton, considers Luton to be his home town, spent alot of time in Cheshire. Doesn't speak Welsh or even have a Welsh accent. As above, I would also suggest that Welsh categories would only apply if his parents were Welsh or he considers himself to be Welsh. I know it's not much to go on, but in the film Bronson, neither of his parents are Welsh. White43 (talk) 11:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It says he in born in Luton but it also states he was born in Aberystwyth, what is it? conflicting messages is ruining this. The film Bronson is historically inaccurate and played up for the sake of cinema. OwainCai (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Parole hearing

I've removed the sentence "aided by the fact he had shown no sign of violence for the past seven years" from the section about his parole hearing. Life Sentence prisoners are legally entitled to a hearing a minimum of every two years once their tariff has expired (Bronson's expired in 2003), regardless of their behaviour in custody. I'm also not sure it's correct. If someone wants to include a section on his recent behaviour go ahead, but please source it properly Bluebloodyhero (talk) 22:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC) bluebloodyhero

Edit request from 87.102.92.13 (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC) RE: Charlie's Latest Escapades

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Bronson-attacked-guards-smeared-butter/article-2896986-detail/article.html

In short: He smeared himself in butter and ran through the prison naked, fighting 12 warders in the gym, before finally being subdued... The butter was to stop him being tackled by officers... XD

"England's Most Dangerous Prisoner"?

who else is in the running for this title? are there criminals in other countries who didn't gain notoriety until *after* they were incarcerated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.101.160.159 (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Silverstein was known as the United States' most dangerous prisoner for a long time, in fact he is why ADX Florence was created. Silverstein was a federal prisoner and the United States has a large prison system encompassing both federal and state levels, so it is hard to say who is the most dangerous. Time was when being a federal prisoner was the hardest time you could do in America. Now it is worse to be a prisoner in California, Texas, or Florida - and certain inmates in those systems might have taken Silverstein's title. 47.137.181.252 (talk) 07:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

His current relationship with Aberystwyth

http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/i/16638/ http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/i/15668/ http://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news-archive/i/6060/

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"Auction of Bronson's art raises £1,500 for brave friends 25 May 2011 bronson

THE Talybont brother of notorious prisoner Charles Bronson has presented a £1,500 cheque to two victims of extreme violence, for them to go on holiday.

Mark Peterson, brother of the inmate dubbed Britain’s most violent prisoner, auctioned two pieces of Bronson’s artwork to raise money for Tirion Lewis, of Penrhyncoch, and Miriam Evans, of Trisant." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tynllidiart (talk • contribs) 05:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Sources

The Daily Mail and The Mirror are not reliable sources. Other publications should be sought for the sentences that cite these papers. I'm also wondering about "On 12 November 2010, Bronson was involved in another incident in Wakefield prison’s F Wing..." because the covering-himself-in-butter incident was portrayed in the film 2 years prior. Marasmusine (talk) 21:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

? Chaosdruid (talk) 01:07, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

That part was removed in May 2012. Graham87 08:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

No photo

Perhaps a photo of the man...I dont know, seems appropriate.--Aaronsdavis (talk) 11:44, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

There are plenty of photos of the man, many of them intended for publicity purposes. Whether there are any legally available for use on Wikipedia is another matter. I believe it's appropriate for any article to contain a relevant picture. 86.138.235.0 (talk) 21:23, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

60th birthday

Charles Bronson became 60 years of age yesterday. Simplicius (talk) 23:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Primary sources?

This article seems to depend hugely upon primary sources in the form of books written entirely or in part by Bronson himself. Can somebody qualified give an opinion as to whether this is a good or bad thing? There are other references, but relatively few. 86.138.235.0 (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

It definitely needs more secondary sources, such as mainline media - The Guardian. It relies too much on his book, and seems to be mostly a listing of transfers and violent incidents. Surely there must have been some serious articles written about him.Parkwells (talk) 19:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Unreliable sources

The Daily Mirror and other tabloids are not reliable sources... so, why is it that every source is from a tabloid or an alleged auto-biography?

Seriously, does anyone really believe this stuff or is it just the fact that I'm one of the 5 people that have seen the movie and bothered to verify the story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎174.31.184.102 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

First, please always sign your comments on any Talk page on Wikipedia by typing four tildes (~~~~).

Second, if you have concerns about any reference provided for any claim in an article, an appropriate response is to a) try to find a better one, and/or b) flag that citation with the {{better source}} tag. It is not to flag the entire article with the {{hoax}} tag, which means something else altogether. Dwpaul ^Talk 02:35, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Third, you might more appropriately use the {{disputed}} tag on an article, but be certain that you can articulate specifically (on the article's Talk page) what it is you dispute, because otherwise the mere citation of reliable sources for the claims given in the article is grounds for removal of the tag. Dwpaul ^Talk 02:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Artwork?

I keep hearing about Charles Salvador's artwork, this article mentions that some of it was on public display, and won multiple awards. Yet, I cannot find any info / photos of them. I'm assuming there aren't any photos of them here because of Wikipedia's overly-paranoid fair use policies. I'm not meaning to infringe copyright; is there anywhere I can get a low-res version of anything he's done?

On a side note, I can legally obtain images of artwork that is not in the public domain; Wikipedia is bad for not having photos of something at all unless it is 100% in the public domain. I thought low-res images of artwork are covered under fair-use? Thanks for any info. 162.219.204.36 (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Father - boxer.

In a C4 documentary Bronson’s mother stated that his father (her husband) was a boxer “with a short fuse” and Brandon was exposed to this violence at a young age. Should this not be included? Rustygecko (talk) 21:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Disputed section

The vast majority of this article relies on Bronson's ghost-written autobiography (although, as far as I can tell, given that the ghost-writer is listed as the author, it is more of a biography delivered in the first person). In particular, almost the whole biography section relies on it singularly. I have found no evidence to suggest that this source itself is reliable enough to form a significant basis for the article. Although it was written by somebody who had lots of contact with Bronson, it is not published by a mainstream publisher and has attracted at least some criticism for approaching hagiography . The claims sourced from this book are humorous but do not pass a surface level test for credulity - for example that Bronson released a hostage because of his bad farts - especially when stated as bold facts. I could not find specific wiki-guidelines on the citing of ghost-written auto-biographies, but at the very least this whole article requires greater verification for any of the claims made in this article about the specific details of Bronson's life that are 'revealed' to us in the autobiography to count as factual.

I was in somewhat two minds about whether to use the template 'BLP one source', and if more experienced Wikipedians feel that appropriate it should be changed, but I feel the issue to be not just that a single source is used, but that the only source used is highly questionable ToTheStone (talk) 15:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Relationship to George Bamby

In March 2023 Bamby (a papparazo) gave an interview now claiming his relationship to Bronson was fabricated by them both as part of a publicity stunt. I've added a note to that effect immediately after the existing mention of their claimed relationship. 168.86.203.171 (talk) 22:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)