Talk:Speedy Atkins

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Requested move 13 December 2014

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move the page to Speedy Atkins, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:30, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Charles "Speedy" Atkins → Charles Atkins – Per WP:NICKNAME "avoid (for example) adding a nickname, or a contracted version of the original first name(s) in quotes between first and last name. For example: Bill Clinton, not William "Bill" Clinton." The suggested name has been a redirect to here for 5 years. I might suggest moving to Speedy Atkins (which has redirected here for 6 years), but "Charles" seems more respectful. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose The move request misstates what WP:NICKNAME calls for in this case, since "Speedy" is not a contraction of "Charles" as "Bill" is short for "William." The section of WP:NICKNAME relevant here says "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not their "real" name, and even if it appears to pass judgement on the person (as with Alfred the Great)." He is most commonly known as Speedy Atkins, and that is the name used repeatedly in news stories about him, even in relatively recent times: [1]. Nicknames are commonly used in bio articles: see Casey Jones, Stonewall Jackson, Buzz Aldrin, Machine Gun Kelly, Calamity Jane, Wild Bill Hickok, Cannonball Adderley. Some vague notion of "respect" fails to replace the need to use the best-known and most commonly used name for a person. Edison (talk) 04:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- If you think "Speedy Atkins" is the more common name, that would be fine with me. There is no problem with using a nickname instead of a formal name. Yes, there's plenty of nicknames used as Wikipedia article titles, and all the titles you mentioned are perfectly OK. But the guideline discourages having a nickname in quotes between first and last name, which is what we have here. The point is that "Charles 'Speedy' Atkins" seems contrary to the guideline. The guideline doesn't just refer to contractions, and none of the examples you mentioned have that format. —BarrelProof (talk) 07:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Another thing worth considering is that Mr. Atkins is not really notable except as a corpse. In the spirit of WP:BIO1E, perhaps the article should be named something like Body of Speedy Atkins (or Body of Charles Atkins), since the article is really more about the corpse than the person. As the article says, "Not much is known about his life." —BarrelProof (talk) 02:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, no opposition to Speedy Atkins either. Edison, I think you misread the guideline. Think of it like "avoid (for example) adding a nickname... in quotes between first and last name." Nickname and contracted version of first name are two options here, not one. --BDD (talk) 16:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. We use first name or nickname, but not both. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.