Talk:Carrier (TV series)

Music list?

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Would it be worth it to include a section on the music used during the series? PBS has a list of the music on their website already, but it might be worth putting on here as well. Thoughts? Katsuhagi (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

fell overboard

They don't know that he fell overboard. Couldn't he have jumped? I think it should say "went overboard" or "was declared overboard" or something. I don't think it's right to just declare that he fell... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.138.12 (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Or even "helped overboard" or "murdered, weighted and then thrown overboard" being that unknown happenings have all sorts of stuff that could've really hppened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.135.236 (talk) 01:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Is a 'man overboard' this really worth mentioning? It isnt notable at all. There was plenty of things which happened during the series. This is just one single event. Maybe it would be better if this was part of a larger chapter which explored the themes of the series —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.42.99 (talk) 16:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I too am not sure if this single event deserves it's own section. Seems like it should be either a sub-section to something else or be complemented by other events from the filming (including behind-the-scenes stuff). Maybe adding an Expand Section Template could be a start in encouraging the further development of this section. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Update on Crew?

Would be nice to see an update on the crew members interviewed during the series. PBS has a page Crew Info on their website for a few of the crew interviewed, but there were a lot more interviewed that theres nothing about. mjziak (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to see some info on female crewmember Mary Wadsworth. Marc S., Dania Fl 206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:20, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Title

The series should more appropriately have been entitled "Air Wing." Anyone who has ever served on a ship, whether it was a carrier or not, will understand why. (Sonlee (talk) 12:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC))

I did not serve in the military. But I watched this series, and I'm not really making sense of your comment. An Air Wing can be understood to mean the Pilots, and the planes they fly. Pilots and planes can be dispatched to carriers, or assigned to a base! Correct me if Im wrong, but on any carrier, An Air Wing serves a limited number of cruises, and then is relieved from that vessel by another Air Wing. The series was not soley about the Air Wing. The series was about the overall operations of the entire ship: Cooks; Air Traffic Control; Catapult operations; Ordnance; Flight Deck Ops, AKA "Paddles"; and many other roles on the ship. A lot of stuff seen on the ten-part series is relevant to Carrier Operations, and not really specific to just the Air Wing. Marc S., Dania Fl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Episodes

Hi,

I'm thinking of adding the following table to the article but I'm not sure where's the best place for it. I kind of feel it will work best between Production and Events. I am interested in hearing what others might think. Thanks in advance.

Episodes
A 26-minute preview of the series was aired by PBS on April 13, 2008. The ten 60-minute episodes began airing on April 27, 2008 with two episodes being shown each night for five straight nights. Each episode was directed by Maro Chermayeff.

No.	Title	Original air date
1	"All Hands"	April 27, 2008 (2008-04-27Tmdy)
The USS Nimitz leaves California and begins a 6-month deployment that will take this small town  to Hawaii and beyond. More... This will be the first extended time away from home for many of the 5,000 men and women on board as well as the first chance many of them will have to interact with people from completely different cultural backgrounds. From the ship's captain on down, each crew member will be expected to perform their assigned duties to the fullest because each task, no matter how trivial it may seem, is important to the safe and successful completion of the mission.
2	"Controlled Chaos"	April 27, 2008 (2008-04-27Tmdy)
Life at sea can be hard for some, especially when you find yourself living and working below a major airport and above a nuclear power plant. More... The constant noise and cramped quarters can take quite some time to get used to. In an environment where even a slight mistake can be deadly, the only protection the crew has against the chaos that surrounds them is the other members of their respective units. These units are essentially surrogate families where members look out for each other, and are refuge where those feeling overwhelmed can go for guidance or just to blow off steam.
3	"Super Secrets"	April 28, 2008 (2008-04-28Tmdy)
Information related to the ship's location, itinerary, and inner workings are highly classified; Secrets, however, are not only mission related. More... With so many people on board, sex and romance between crew members are inevitable. Officially such relationships are highly frowned upon, but unofficially a don't ask and don't tell  policy is in effect. This works fairly well, for the most part, until things get out of hand. Before a stop in Hong Kong, we are introduced to a sailor who is being commended for the example he has set for others and his future seems very bright. As the ship leaves, however, we see the same sailor being accused of gross misconduct towards another crew member. Not only has his lack of self control completely ruined his own future, it has also dramatically changed the life the young female sailor involved.
4	"Squared Away"	April 28, 2008 (2008-04-28Tmdy)
Life at sea is stressful for all and this can create considerable friction between crew members and the navy is no different from the real world in that not everyone gets along with their boss. More... Some of this stress can be relieved through port calls, but for many this is still not enough. We are introduced to one sailor who has decided that joining the navy was a big mistake. He is simply unable or unwilling to put his personal prejudices aside and openly refers to himself a racist . He blames this on the way he was raised, and sees it as his ticket out. His wish is finally granted after an incident during a stop in Guam; He thinks he's won, but the ship's captain assures us that he hasn't. The ship leaves Guam for the Persian Gulf via the Straits of Malacca.
5	"Show of Force"	April 29, 2008 (2008-04-29Tmdy)
Under extreme conditions, the Nimitz begins operations within the Persian Gulf, but the frustration of playing only a limited support role is starting to show. More... Some pilots are unhappy that their F-18s have been reduced to being nothing more than very expensive cameras; They have been not allowed to drop even a single bomb and simply want to be allowed to do what they have been trained to do. Some sailors and marines feel that intercepting cargo ships and fishing vessels, etc. in search of terrorists is simply not worth the 120 degree temperatures and other dangerous conditions that they have to deal with on a daily basis. Many among the crew are beginning to question the suitability of the carrier for this type of war .
6	"Groundhog Day"	April 29, 2008 (2008-04-29Tmdy)
After two months of doing the same thing over and over again each and every day, complacency becomes a major concern. More... A momentary lapse in concentration can be fatal not only to yourself, but to those around you. Crew members do whatever they can to stay as sharp as possible, but the grind  is beginning to take its toll. A brief respite comes from a few days of liberty in Bahrain, but the crew is quickly shocked back into the reality when the cruiser Princeton reports a man overboard. An intense search is conducted to find the lost sailor, but it is ended in vain. The sailor is never found and all speculate on what may have happened, but the time has come to refocus and get back to the mission at hand.
7	"Rights of Passage"	April 30, 2008 (2008-04-30Tmdy)
The last day of missions over Iraq mean one last chance for the pilots to get their wish and see some real action. More... Like each time before, however, they return back to the Nimitz without dropping a single bomb or firing a single shot. Everyone on board is relieved to be finally heading for home, but still questions remain regarding why they were sent all this way in the first place. As the carrier crosses the equator, an ancient maritime ritual known as the Crossing the Line Ceremony  takes place allowing the crew to blow of steam and relax, but everyone if quickly reminded of the dangers that still lie ahead as severe storms in the South Indian Ocean make carrier landing operations much riskier than usual.
8	"True Believers"	April 30, 2008 (2008-04-30Tmdy)
There are many different expressions of faith  on board from the faith in one's self and one's shipmates, the faith in one's mission and one's country and the faith in one's god. More... These many expressions of faith as well as religious life on board the carrier are examined. Most have no problem reconciling their personal beliefs with the fact that they may be asked to kill others on behalf of their country, but for some it causes great inner turmoil. No matter how strong one's beliefs are, however, the temptations of the flesh can be particularly hard to resist when you're young and at sea for months on end. One young sailor learns this the hard way, when the carrier makes a stop in Perth, Australia.
9	"Get Home-itis"	May 1, 2008 (2008-05-01Tmdy)
The long deployment affects the men and women of the Nimitz in many different ways and one of these is the way it can strain relationships with those back home. More... In order to make the readjustment to life "back on land" as smooth as possible, the Navy provides various types of counseling to those on board on what kinds of things to expect when they get back. This episode sees the beginning of the Tiger Cruise : a ritual which allows sailors to invite their family members aboard the ship for voyage from Hawaii back to the mainland. A father shows his son how to launch planes and a divorced mother, who is in a custody battle with her ex-husband, needs to go to the courts so that her kids can join the cruise.
10	"Full Circle"	May 1, 2008 (2008-05-01Tmdy)
After six months and more than 57,000 miles, the men and women on board the Nimitz are ready to return to their homes and families. More... It's a chance for them to reflect on what they've achieved, whether the mission was a success, and what their futures may hold. For some, this marks the end of their time in the navy, and the beginning of their transition back into the real  world. For others, it's just a chance to recharge their batteries for a few months before going back out and doing it all over again.

Marchjuly (talk) 13:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

That sounds fine. Be bold. --Pmsyyz (talk) 15:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Pmsyyz. Just thought I see if others had any questions comments before I went bold . - Marchjuly (talk) 22:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

The size (width) of the table seems to be a problem because of the length of the infobox, and I'm not sure which what is the best way to fix that. In addition, the format used for the references already in the article is not the same as the one I'm using. Normally, I would just change mine, but the template being used doesn't be the same as the ones suggested by WP:CS1. Anybody have any suggestions on how to best proceed? - Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 22:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Changed the width to 75% and made the summaries collapsible. Seems to work much better. Still not sure what to do about the references, but have added the table to the article hoping that the references will be straightened out later. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

DVD Release

Hi,

Have been working on the following section entitled DVD Release and am thinking of adding it to the main article. I am not sure, however, if there's really enough material to warrant a separate section. Also, not sure if it's OK to use the PBS Shop and Amazon pages as references. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

DVD release

A 3-disc, 600-minute region 1 DVD version of the documentary was released by PBS on May 6, 2008. Special features include scene selection, the preview episode, deleted and extended scenes, closed captioning and 16:9 anamorphic widescreeen.

- Marchjuly (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't think a separate section for the DVD is necessary; simply add to 'Production' section (perhaps ?). This Barnes & Noble ref is less annoying than the Amazon one: [1]. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a 3rd-party ref for the DVD. I'd recommend simply mentioning the existence of the DVD and release date; too much detail seems like an advert especially if the only refs are shopping links. IMDb is less-than-ideal, but preferable to shopping sites. I normally don't edit this sort of thing; I'd suggest finding another similar article to use as an example. ~Eric:71.20.250.51 (talk) 07:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the input and BN link Eric. To be honest, I'm not really sure how to add this. Some articles such as the ones for Happy Days, M*A*S*H, Roots and All In The Family do have separate sections for their DVD releases, but there are plenty of others that don't. Maybe since this is a documentary, an article like the one for Cosmos would be a good model to follow. On the other hand, Vikings does have a separate section called Media. So, I'm more confused now then when I originally thought of adding this. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done But, feel free to make changes. ~Eric:71.20.250.51 (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Eric. - Marchjuly (talk) 21:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

PS: I like how you combined the series and film into one section. I didn't even consider that. Brilliant! - Marchjuly (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Another Day in Paradise

Another Day in Paradise was briefly mentioned in the article's lead, but no further information was provided. So, I thought I'd add a new section about ADIP after DVD release (see above Talk). Here's what I've got so far.

Another Day In Paradise

Another Day In Paradise is a 90-minute film created from the same pool of footage used for the series. The film covers many of the same themes touched on in the series, but narrows the focus to three men: a pilot, a marine, and and a sailor. Not only are all three connected by the fact that they are serving on board the same ship, they are all also struggling with various family issues and the different phases of fatherhood. The film was released in the U.S. on June 16, 2008 and was directed by Deborah Dickson. A region A1 blu-ray version of the film was released by PBS on March 10, 2009.

Not sure if there's enough material there for ADIP to have it's own Wikipedia article, but I do I feel its connection to the series is strong enough to deserve its own section. However, I am not sure about the references, especially regarding the IMDb page. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree that since it is mentioned in the lead, there should be details later. A section following 'Episodes' is my recommendation. I'm sure that if a separate article were made, there would be a request to merge it with this article. ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 07:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Eric. Would you like to add it? - Marchjuly (talk) 07:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done ...But don't be shy! Your judgement is as good as anybody's. Just don't frett if somebody makes changes later (that's the way things work around here).    ~Eric:71.20.250.51 (talk) 16:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Eric. No worries and not fretting. As long as the page gets improved, then that's good enough for me. Besides, now I know about the done template. Thanks again - Marchjuly (talk) 21:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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Gross Misconduct?

Seems odd that the the rape, or rape allegation, or whatever you want to call it is not mentioned anywhere. Gross misconduct? The guy was 2x her age, she was drunk, and if IRCC he was the anti-sexual abuse coordinator or something for the ship. Also having your career ruined is <<<<<< than getting raped. He is the Brock Turner of this show.96.240.128.124 (talk) 16:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)