Talk:Carmen Yulín Cruz

Additions of responses from FEMA chief and other mayor

This is an exact quote so what more do we have to do?

Edit 1 - She is complaining about the response but not attending the meetings FEMA director Brock Long when asked about Cruz's statement by CNN's Fredricka Whitfield stated: "The problem that we have with the mayor unfortunately is that unity of command is ultimately what’s needed to be successful in this response....What we need is for the mayor, the good mayor, to make her way to the joint field office and get plugged into what’s going on and be successful....I think that’s the bottom line on that tweet."

Edit 2 - the mayor of the neighboring town confirms Long's statement The mayor of Guaynabo, Angel Perez Otero, a neighboring city to San Juan, stated that his experience with FEMA has been very good and questioned why Cruz used the term "genocide" stating: "I don’t know why she is saying that. What I can tell you is my experience. She is not participating in any meetings and we had a couple already with the governors and with representation of FEMA and of HUD, of these whole federal agencies that have given us help and she’s not participating in those meetings and some mayors from her political party have been participating, so I don’t know why she is saying that. My experience is very different."

This is reliable. The author Paul Bedard used to write for USNews and World Report [1] and the Chief Editor of Wash Examiner is Hugo Gurdon formerly edito of the The Hill (newspaper), The Daily Telegraph and the National Post, [2] [3] Here is an interview with Gordon with the Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/hugo-gurdon-what-i-read/371235/

Fox News should not be a problem

Remove this is you so wish

Edit 3: She admits that she has not been at the meetings. This is ABC so I do not see the problem

In an interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC on October 1, 2017, Cruz admitted that she had not yet been to the FEMA meetings.Patapsco913 (talk) 03:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Don't see a point in the FEMA director quote. WaEx isn't reliable. Neither is Daily Caller. The Stephanopoulos interview is being misrepresented. Volunteer Marek  04:52, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

The point is that she is saying that the response has been inadequate and the FEMA director is stating that she is not doing what all the other mayors are doing and showing up at the FEMA meetings and coordinating. Here is the direct transcript http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1709/30/cnr.05.html

I don't see where it states that the Washington Examiner is not reliable. The chief editor is reputable as is the writer of the article. Anyhow, I can get an equivalent statement from the Stephaopoulos interview (see below)

Well that is why I put the whole quote there. How should it be represented or are you saying it is irrelevant? (look at the above statement of Trump that you reverted...Do you really think that mirrors what Trump said?: It goes from the actual tweet > "Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help....They want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort. 10,000 Federal workers now on Island doing a fantastic job" and "The Mayor of San Juan, who was very complimentary only a few days ago, has now been told by the Democrats that you must be nasty to Trump" to "President Donald Trump on Twitter accused Cruz of poor leadership and suggested that Democrats had told her to badmouth him" Why not just use the real tweet?

Also the transcript with Stephanopoulos states: STEPHANOPOULOS: Now let's bring in the FEMA administrator Brock Long. Mr. Long, thank you for joining us this morning.

You just heard the mayor talk about her situation right there. Do you think as the president wrote yesterday, she's demonstrated poor leadership? And down in Puerto Rico, have you encountered anyone who has asked for everything to be done for them? -BROCK LONG, FEMA ADMINISTRATOR: So, the success of a disaster response is predicated on unity of command. And the bottom line is, just a few minutes ago we had a press conference from the joint field office in San Juan, that operation has hundreds of people it in working around the clock to set the strategic objectives, not only FEMA, DOD, but also the governor's objectives, and we have been working with mayors all around Puerto Rico to make sure that we have a strategy and that we have been executing that strategy going forward. -*****The unfortunate aspect is, is that we have tried to embed my staff with the mayor, and I think she just answered the question. I think she -- if I just heard correctly, she's been there once. This is an operation that has to take place all the time. She does have access to commodities. We have established 11 regional distribution hubs, not distribution points, but hubs, where there are large quantities of commodities and food.**** -And many -- what we are doing is, is that we had to set up a foundational baseline capability to be able to get commodities to the jurisdictions. In many cases, the mayors are stepping up and driving in to get their commodities and going back. -Mayor Otero, right outside of San Juan in the city of Guaynabo, has been very pleased with what we have been doing and the strategy that we have been executing, and so are many of the mayors. The problem is, if you're not connected into that joint field office, then you don't understand commanders' intent. You don't understand the successes of what been done versus what needs to be done where the gaps are. This is relevant information. This article should not be one-sided. If someone is making accusations, the response of the party that she is accusing should be in the article ThanksPatapsco913 (talk) 05:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Sources

Regardless of which sources are ultimately used, so long as they are reliable (which I'd argue the above are fine) the counterargument needs to be included. We don't have anything backing up ulterior motivation for Cruz's criticism of Trump, but that's not even in question here. A fair article would have contemporary commentaries (e.g. that of Long, Otero, etc.) that support or reject said criticism (and currently among those involved, it appears to reject it). Hopefully some other people will chime in here, but it's clear we need to add a proper summary of the ensuing rebuttal. ~Araignee (talk • contribs) 18:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Patatpsco, I agree with the removal of this material; in fact, if someone else had not removed it, I would have. This is way, way TMI for this biography, and too extensive of quotes. On the other hand, I think we could include a brief summary of the FEMA director's comments and the other mayor's comments. Something like this:

Responding to Cruz's statement, FEMA director Brock Long said that "unity of command" was the main thing needed for the relief effort to be successful, and suggested the mayor needed to go to the joint field office and "get plugged in". Angel Perez Otero, mayor of Guaynabo, a neighboring city to San Juan, stated that his experience with FEMA has been very good and criticized Cruz for not participating in FEMA and HUD meetings.

Sources

Comments? --MelanieN (talk) 20:18, 2 October 2017 (UTC) P.S. I tried to find a neutral or mainstream source for the comments by Perez Otero, but I couldn't; it's pretty much only from avowedly right-wing sources like the Daily Caller and RedState and Townhall. I decided to accept the Washington Examiner as being a little more dedicated to journalism than the others. --MelanieN (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Looks fair to me! I'd suggest removing the quotes around "unity of command," but otherwise I'm satisfied. ~Araignee (talk • contribs) 12:30, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Mother Jones is not a reliable source either. MJ is a left wing publication.Bjoh249 (talk) 05:54, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Since there were no other comments, I put the text suggested by MelanieN up and it was changed back. I've again put said text back up. If there are further thoughts/suggestions, please discuss them here so we can reach consensus before making changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Araignee (talk • contribs)

FBI Investigation

It is being reported in multiple outlets that she is under investigation by the FBI for corruption. It might be worth adding to the article. --Surv1v4l1st ^{▌Talk|Contribs▌} 23:18, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not finding it in Reliable Sources. The only mainstream outlet reporting it is Fox News - which reveals its slant by identifying her as "Trump-bashing mayor" in the headline, and the article is almost entirely about how she behaved during and after the hurricane. They give no source for the FBI investigation claim except "multiple news outlets" without quoting any. This is not solid enough to add. Let's hold off unless it get picked up by more broad mainstream coverage. --MelanieN (talk) 23:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. I just looked her up and only saw hits on this from Fox News, The Blaze, and Town Hall. Not reliable sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:29, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Gandydancer (talk) 00:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Not "Puerto Rico, US"

It was previously stated that Carmen was born in Puerto Rico, US. However, Puerto Rico is not a part of the US. It is instead a US territory which is legally not part of the United States but rather a separate domain under the control of the US congress. Therefore she was not born in Puerto Rico, US. She was born in Puerto Rico. See Talk:Puerto Ricans in the United States#Requested move 8 August 2019, see Commonwealth (U.S. insular area) Puerto Rico is not a part of the US. It is instead a US territory which is legally not part of the United States but rather a separate domain under the control of the US congress.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)