Talk:Carl Wilson

Photo Needed

We need some kind of photo on this article.

Agree. It has been without a photo way too long. Someone who has the rights to a picture of Carl Wilson should step up and contribute. Jusdafax (talk) 21:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Still not very happy with this, but when the article as it stood didn't even get the man's name right (where the hell the 'Kelly' in the name came from I have no idea - googling "Carl Dean Kelly Wilson" gives only this page as opposed to the 266 with his correct full name, so it's not like it's even a widespread error one could understand being passed on). Other inaccuracies in the article as it stood - he didn't 'compose' the guitar parts - when not stolen from Chuck Berry they were written by Brian WIlson. Most of Brian's vocal parts were actually sung live by Al Jardine and Bruce Johnston. Hope this at least provides a workable framework which others can edit for style and clarity. Stealth Munchkin 21:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Just to correct you there, Carl did compose some of the guitar parts. Take "Dance, Dance, Dance" for example. Carl came up with the main riff. And you cant just think of The Beach Boys as JUST Brian Wilson. In the 70's etc.. Carl wrote a fair few songs (eg: "Long Promised Road", "Feel Flows", "Angel Come Home", "Good Timin'" etc.. etc..) So that statement isnt entirely untrue. And another thing, The Beach Boys obviously have performed thousands of concerts over the years and at times Carl did sing Brian's parts. For example on the few occassions that the band performed Surfs Up live it was Carl who sung the second verse (which was Brian on the record). And then of course on the In Concert album Carl sings Caroline No, which of course was originally sung by Brian. In fact there is many instance of band members swapping leads (eg: Dennis or Carl singing Help Me Rhonda, Dennis singing Good Timin etc..)

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Stealth Munchkin, you have no way of knowing how many of Carl's guitar parts were or were not composed by Brian (nor does anyone -- Carl is dead, and Brian memory is so unreliable, he thinks he produced "I Can Hear Music".) Take "The Warmth of the Sun", or "In My Room" -- I'm sure Brian, as a non-guitarist, did not dictate the actual sequence of the individual notes in the arpeggios. He undoubtedly decided there should be guitar arpeggios, and provided direction -- "Go higher on the D minor", that sort of thing. But anyone who's listened to The Pet Sounds Sessions knows that the guitarists often developed their own parts, with Brian simply having the final say. It's definitely absurd to think of him specifying "Just the two-note power chords, not the three-notes" on a simple song like "Fun Fun Fun". And as Carl's tremendous talent developed, I'm sure Brian approved more and dictated less.

Finally, I'm not sure there's any such thing as "stealing guitar parts from Chuck Berry".

--63.25.253.16 (talk) 17:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S., To the unsigned commentator above: I think any mention of Carl's songwriting talents would have to include "The Trader".

--63.25.253.16 (talk) 17:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, "The Trader"! (Strange, but the GV box set titles the song "Trader", while the Holland and In Concert CDs calls it "The Trader"). That is absolutely one of Carl's best, and among the best Beach Boys songs by any songwriter(s). I've seen people criticize the lyrics, but I get the impression that their real target is Jack Rieley, who helped the band shift focus towards lyrics that were socially and politically aware. Personally, I think if you can listen to this song and NOT be so moved by its beauty that you don't give a damn about the lyrics, I'm suspicious of you being a shape-shifting alien come to infiltrate and eventually conquer our planet.

--Ben Culture (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Can any of you offer proof that he actually didn't come up with his guitar parts on the first few Beach Boy albums? Duh, they were Chuck Berry licks; not all of the time, but most of the time. I mean, I don't think Brian began writing most of the music until around Today. Back in the early days, it seemed like a group effort. Plus, session players played on the early stuff too. You can't account for any of those older recordings anyway, because the information isn't listed anywhere. - BuddyOfHolly

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Citation/NPOV

The line "He is widely regarded to have had one of the finest voices in rock " is not supported. Anybody got anything?

Roygbiv666 (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Rated Importance as 'Top'

Rated importance as Top from no previous rating. Carl Wilson played lead guitar and/or sang lead on numerous Beach Boys hits and was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1988. The 'B' grade is wrong: the article has no references and is therefore no higher than a 'Start' in quality. Jusdafax (talk) 20:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Also fixed the coding for the Wiki boxes. Jusdafax (talk) 20:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Drug Problem?

In the article, there is a mention of Carl overcoming a "drug problem", without any previous mention of having one, and no citation of one. --BuddyOfHolly (talk) 21:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, a source can be cited. Surely most hard-core Beach Boys fanatics have read Steven Gaines's Heroes & Villains, which includes an actual quote from Carl about a cocaine addiction he had given up (but while he is saying this, the author reports, he was so drunk his words slurred). I believe he was also inclined to snort a little heroin when it was available. I have no proof of that, but it IS a matter of record that Dennis and Brian did, and if anything brought the Wilson brothers together, it was drugs! At times they took it more seriously than music.

--Ben Culture (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Cemetery/Burial Site

There are many other references on the Internet mentioning that Carl Wilson was buried at Westwood Village Memorial Park in Los Angeles, and not at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Los Angeles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.128.251 (talk) 00:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

PR/Hagiography

This article reads like a promotional piece. If someone who knows reputable sources doesn't rewrite and document it, I'm going to take an editorial 'meataxe' to it. That will revert it to a stub. Tapered (talk) 07:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• I agree that it has needed help for years, as my previous comments note. The lack of references is acute, and the tone is all wrong. I demoted it to 'start' hoping it would shame someone into working on it, but no luck. Suggest what it is you want to lop out for starters and let's see what we can do. Jusdafax 08:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Carl Wilson's dog was a samoyed, Henry Gross's dog was the setter. Both dogs names were named "Shannon." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.173.149 (talk) 01:51, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh! Well, in that case, the article is clearly beyond repair! Forget it! Time to wipe the slate clean, and start fresh at 11am, and work through your lunch hour.

--Ben Culture (talk) 22:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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Vocal range

What was Carl's vocal range? Was he a tenor or not? 203.221.128.210 (talk) 20:25, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Shannon

Photos clearly show that Carl's dog Shannon was a Samoyed, not an Irish Setter. Hence the correction. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 08:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about the revert. I initially undid your edit because the cited source says Irish Setter, but when I took another look I saw that there was one big thing wrong with source: It says the dog was Brian's, not Carl's. In fact, it doesn't mention Carl at all, which doesn't line up with any other version of the story, so that makes the whole source sketchy and unreliable, in my opinion. Judging by other online information, it looks like Carl's dog was a Samoyed, but I couldn't find a reliable source to confirm it. So I restored Samoyed but removed the sketchy source and added a citation-needed tag. —ShelfSkewed Talk 16:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't look all the way down the page—Carl is mentioned. But the confusion between Brian and Carl still makes this suspect. Even Henry Gross apparently can't get the story straight. On his website here he says both he and Carl had Irish Setters named Shannon. But commenting on a YouTube video, Gross says his dog was an Irish Setter, but Carl's was a Samoyed. And apparenly Carl at some point had both a Setter and Samoyeds. I'm certainly not sure what version of the story is true.—ShelfSkewed Talk 16:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I have spoken with people who were persional friends with Carl: yes, he had an Irish Setter, but Shannon was definitely a Samoyed. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 15:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)