Talk:Bus plunge story

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Bizarre. According to Google News, there have been "bus plunges" in the last month in Recife, Georgia, Uttaranchal, Khabarovsk, Peru, Malaysia, Serbia, Vietnam...these things are death traps! sjorford →•← 08:44, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, of course there have been recent bus plunges.

I did say they were in the news *every day*. That being said, they hit the news about once a week, or every other week on average, but the stories play out over the week about the "brave victims", how "faith in (insert deity)" saved a victim, rescue effort spotlights, body recovery, stories about victims in the hospital, etc., to keep a steady stream of stories coming in daily.

This is why generic motor vehicle accident statistics are mentioned: 130 people are killed every day over 8,000 are injured every day in cars and such (in the U.S. alone - the statistics are truly frightful on a global scale, where bus plunge stories come from). Buses wreck much less often than that. On the flip side, it's also worth noting that when the big 'To-Do' about Columbine hit, that a bus plunge happened the very same day that killed more people. Nobody went off on a multi-month media rampage about banning buses and other motor verhicles, but schools across the nation have curtailing free speech and other rights in response to that incident, while general driving safety is still given little attention. -Unsigned comment

I wonder if the bus plunge was caused by one of those temblors that rocked the area. -Rolypolyman 23:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge somewhere?

I attempted to clean up this article to conform to a more encyclopedic standard, but in the end I have to say I am dissatisfied with the article as a whole. It does seem to be a valid sort of phenomenon, and as such I think it should stay (I was tempted to nominate it for deletion at first). However it seems to have little content of its own and should probably be merged into another, broader topic - but I cannot find a good topic to merge it into. Arkyan 00:09, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectly Valid

Its a perfectly valid article, content wise. The content needs to have a container, regardless of whether the term 'bus plunge' exists or not. Its like 'gunned down'. Best one I ever saw was a huge mass of bushfires being termed an 'Arc Of Devastation', anybody want to write that article?

Restore deletion

This article explains just about everything in the article. I think much of it should be reverted. zafiroblue05 | Talk 15:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This article was vandalized by dtcdthingy. I restored it to the previous version. --Lembut 22:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The whole article was unverifiable claims and ex cathedra statements from start to finish, far beyond the point of being able to change a few words and add a few cites to make it suitable for Wikipedia. It needs to be rewritten from scratch. --Dtcdthingy 04:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is This a Little Better?

There needs to be an article stating the unique significance of the phrase "bus plunge". Since dtcdthingy feels previous versions lacked cites, I've tried to use only that which can be found in the links area (National Lampoon cannot be cited because it is copyrighted and not on the web, but Google shows that they did indeed have "Bus Plunge" columns.. there are many web references to their "bus plunge" articles, but it would be pointless to cite those unless someone finds a better one than I could.)

I hope we can work out a commonly acceptable article here, because I feel that the "bus plunge" phrase is worthy of inclusion. Perhaps the article should be about the fixation on the phrase, instead of trying to explain the phrase itself more than is needed. (That would be more appropriate in bus transport or motor vehicle accident). Bus Plunge is only about the obtiquiousness of that phrase itself.

There's no need to go into technical detail, it's just a journalism cliche that humor sites sometimes pick up on, and that's what really needs to be explained. Syd 19:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clash

I wonder if the same could be said about protestors "clashing" with police? Communisthamster 01:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

headline

I have added the point, which is at least as important as the content of the story, that for headlines "bus / plunges" fit one-column headlines in the old, narrow format of newspapers - and fillers were always one column. As a man who's written a bus plunge hed or two in his day, it needs to be noted. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a stub

I don't think this article (as of 11/2018) meets the WP standards of being a stub: "A stub is an article that, although providing some useful information, is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, and that is capable of expansion. The last point is key - there isn't much else to say about it. This article is quite short, but it's sufficient and complete. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion Nomination

I have taken this article to the WP:AfD forum. With all respect to the above authors, I can't see how an article about an obscure print media cliche meets WP:GNG, considering that of the three sources cited, only one is RS (the first is an example and does not discuss the subject of the article, and the second is a self-published webpage). This does not rise to the level of "significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources" (only one source), in my opinion. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 17:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Bus plunge story

The recent AfD left us at a consensus to keep and rename, but didn't quite find consensus on the target. The proposed options were for Bus plunge story or Bus plunge (journalistic practice). There was a slight preference for the former, and it's also my preference, so I'm proposing it. I'll give this discussion a few days to run and then do a WP:BOLD move if there's no objections and nobody's done it first. —siro χ o 07:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support your idea to move to the first option. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support first option, seems more natural without parenthetical. 9³ (talk) 04:11, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was no opposition so I did the move. Still need to decide what to do with the original Bus plunge location in the below discussion. —siro χ o 12:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Post-move result

After this page moves, assuming it does, what should Bus plunge become? It could

disambiguate between Roadway departure and the eventual target of the move, or
redirect to Roadway departure.

Now, given @93's analysis in the AfD, I don't prefer either of:

leaving it a redirect to Bus plunge story or
as a red link would not be the correct outcome.

Any preferences? Am I missing an option? —siro χ o 07:41, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prefer option 3 (see my comment above). I'm the one who filed the AfD and I think being a little more specific with the title, and allowing for a redirect, might make the article better. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:57, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Option 2 seems most natural given the popularity of inbound links I talked about, with a hatlink to Bus plunge story or whichever new title, at the article/section target for those interested in the journalistic practice. 9³ (talk) 04:11, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]