Talk:Burmese Malays

Burmese Malays or Malays in Burma

Malays in Burma or Burmese Malays are not registered in the official List of ethnic groups in Burma. But if the following groups of mixed Burmese and Races of our neighbouring countries including Europeans: Burmese Chinese, Panthay (Muslims of Chinese origin), Burmese Indians, Anglo-Burmese (Eurasians and Rohingya are allowed in Wikipedia, there should be no problem nor objection from the fellow Wiki- ethnolinguistists to accept the Malays staying in Burma. After all there are already following various articles of Malays in the Wiki_

• Malays (ethnic group), the ethnic group located primarily in the Malay peninsula, and parts of Sumatra and Borneo
• Malay race, a racial category encompassing the people of South East Asia and sometimes the Pacific Islands
• Malaysian Malays, a constitutionally defined group of Muslim Malaysian citizens
• Malays in Singapore
• Malay Indonesian, ethnic Malays in Indonesia
• Thai Malays, ethnic Malays in Thailand
• Sri Lankan Malays, an ethnic group in Sri Lanka of Indonesian ancestry
• Cape Malays, an ethnic group or community in South Africa
• Cocos Malays, the predominant group ethnic group of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands, now part of Australia
• Overseas Malays, people of Malay ancestry living outside Malaysia and neighbouring ethnic Malay home areas
• Kedahan Malay, the earliest settler in Malay Peninsular and young ancestor to the people of Malay Archipelago

For the proof of Malays in Burma, just read the Kedahan Malay article

I hope there is no objection for this topic as I am not writting a bout a new race but a minority staying in Burma. I will give the necessary references later. --Darz kkg (talk) 08:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Sir, I must exclaim that your logic displayed above is deeply flawed. The sole reason it states is that just because Wikipedia 'allows' certain articles to exist (as long as contributors exist, any article can exist with lack of merit), the people should also exist. The existence of an article does not mean the existence of an ethnic group, quite the contrary. And most of the information given are either self-supporting or has nothing to do with the topic at all. In the Kedahan Malay article, "The Kedahan Malay empire stretching along the coast" (which contradicts the active role the Thais played in Malay politics - which rules out the existence of a strong polity save perhaps the Sultanate of Melaka and subsequent Sultanate of Johor) is given as the sole reason for having Malays in Kawthaung. This also comes in conflict with the naval journeys of Alaungsithu along the Malay coast towards Penang (Pilau Pinang). It lacks citations and is not of scholarly standard. The supporting claims to this article are themselves undocumented and it is not Wikipedia practice to refer to other wikipedia articles. Nayuda Ahmed, attributed with the settling of Kawthaung, returns only the same article or copied articles on a Google search request. Please fashion scholarly or peer reviewed articles for articles this long, or the information shall remain rather dubious. With all due respect, almost all the articles written (with good intent, I hope) by Mr. Darzkkg lack proper or even viewable sources. Many sources have apologetic explanations beside which attempt to explain their absence. This only underlines his effort in dealing with rather contentious issues and portrays the articles as biased, in violation of Wikipedia's policies. Regards and good day to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.69.2.10 (talk) 05:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Malays in Burma are different from Moken

Please read the Talk:Moken for my concerns of some editors just merge with Moken (with the good intention) but later other group of editors decided that they are different and my facts were not relevant. Even in various articles in Wikipedia about the southern distric and towns and maps during British time had mentioned about Malays in Burma. TQ. --Darz kkg (talk) 08:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

In this article,Malays (ethnic group)'s HISTORY section, "The ancestor of Malays are believed to be seafarers knowledgeable in oceanography. They moved around from island to island in great distances between New Zealand and Madagascar, and they served as navigation guide, crew and labour to Indian, Persian and Chinese traders for nearly 2000 years. Over the years they settled at various places and adopted various cultures and religions. Notable Malay seafarers of today are Moken and Orang laut." But most of the editors were united in erasing my facts about Burmese Malays locally known as Pashu, I hereby oppose the merger of this article into Moken. --Darz kkg (talk) 08:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Some supporting words from a fellow Wikipedian

I here by copy Bejnar (talk)’s words posted in my talk page as I found out that he had forgotten to add these important facts in the Talk:Moken place. "In researching I have found part of the problem. Pashu is just the local name in Kawthaung for people of Malay ancestry. It is also used to describe the mixed Malay-Burmese-Thai patois that many of them speak. Sometimes the word Pashu is also applied to the Moken as they are related to the Malays. An example of usage is the local Kawthaung name for Pterocarpus indicus or pashu-padauk while in English it is sometimes called Malay padauk. Pashu has nothing to do with religion, but that could be confusing since the Malay are more likely to be Muslim than the Burmese or Thai." --Bejnar (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC) (I copy and paste this paragraph fro my talk page. --Darz kkg (talk) 08:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Another proof of Map

University of Texas at Austin, Perry-Castañeda Library, Map Collection, Burma (Myanmar) Maps Thematic Maps: [1]Burma - Ethnolinguistic Groups from Map No. 500425 1972 (169K) [2] In this map written on the map that Malays are staying at the lowest part of Burma.

This map indicates differently, limiting the Myeik islands as the place where an Austronesian language is spoken. [3]. The above map is quite a rough estimation of the linguistic distribution of Myanmar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uthantofburma (talk • contribs) 07:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Pashu terminology

The Peranakan museum of Singapore and findings by U Thaw Kaung states that the Pashu are the Peranakan, or Straits Chinese who are centred in west Malaysia, especially Penang Island/Pilau Pinang and Malacca/Melaka. Personally, I have met a number of 'Pashu' people, and all of them exhibit Straits Chinese ancestry and Peranakan (different from Melayu) heritage.

Pashu Talk

The Joshua Project link provided lumps the Salon/Moken together with the Malay remnants in the Myeik islands. I agree that there are some lingering Malay heritage and some Kedehan Melayu in the islands, but there isn't much proof. The Sejarah Melayu is not so helpful in this.

I am not denying the existence of the Burmese Malays, but the wrong albeit unintentional linking of them to the term Pashu creates a wrong measure of the familiarity of the other peoples of Myanmar and the Burmese Malays. Cheers and with peace. Uthantofburma (talk) 03:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Pashu or Myanmar Malay Muslim reference

I got a scanned printed article in Myanmar language written by Maung Maung Gyi (Man) which had given few further reference books. I will try to translate and inco-operate in this article when I got time. Now I am busy with my clinic. I have scanned and published in my own blog. I hope and pray that some Wiki editor who could understand Myanmar language could help us doing that job. Read here in my blog, "Malay Muslims in Myanmar called Pashu ျမန္မာနိုင္ငံေတာင္ဖ်ား႐ွိ အစၥလာမ္ဘာသာ၀င္ ပသွ်ဴးလူမ်ိဳး".Darz kkg (talk) 09:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)