Talk:Bria Valente

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Created talk page. Quod erat demonstrandum 3.14159 (talk) 04:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

You are being a bit harsh. How do reviewers whom are reputable and I have not put words into their mouth represent an agenda of untowardness to a public figure. She's not even that public. Nary a soul would know of this individual except for your trite seemingly personal issues. That would mean please remove her "buttery voice" comment since that would deem a favorable opinion. It does not denote nuetrality. Your requests and positioning seems biased. If this is the case then most of the bio should be Deleted. ALL rumors, allegedly and unconfirmed. We cannot prove she is dating Prince so please leave it out. Reinstate the content of Massari Videos and her full previous name of Brenda M Fuentes.--Xcentrex (talk) 23:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcentrex (talk • contribs)

Regarding the reviews, I tend to agree with Falsewords333 that a biographical article which mainly consists of large blockquotes of album reviews is not very encyclopaedic. All of the quotes that were listed, except for the Associated Press quote which was just a link to a forum post, are already linked from the album article, Elixer. An album article is a more appropriate place to summarize the critical response to an album, rather than in a biographical article. Metacritic shows this album as having "mixed or average" reviews[1], so any summary should balance both the positive and negative reviews in order to maintain a neutral point of view. dissolve^talk 18:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

What is relevant is that xentrex seems to have an unusuall invested interest and agenda towards Ms Bria Valente and the information associated with her. Conflict of interest seems to apply to you if you are ademate on the inclusion of irrelevant information that is defamatory and does not have a place in this type of biographical site. It is only to serve your own agenda. She is notable and relevant because she is a "Prince protoge" with an official CD release in 2009 "Elixer". Credited facts on her career are noted as well as personal information taken from the Tavis Smiley interview which is a credible Television show. Please cease to pursue this negative agenda and keep Wilkepedia clean and civil. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falsewords333 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Relevant facts are that she worked on Massari videos. Irrelevant fact is her "voice is buttery". Please edit accordingly or I will. No one is trying to defame the subject. Credit career information is a visual in a video. Song or verifiable writing credit (liner notes). Musicians are not supposed to edit their own biographies. Therefore including reviews constitutes as part of the biographical content of the subject. Please check PRINCE as a reference. Books based on fact or fiction are sited as well as other information that cannot be verified. Please refrain from using inflammatory phrasing such as "vandalizing" as no one here is trying to paint a portrait other than what is factual. Thank you. --Xcentrex (talk) 00:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

This page has been edited to reflect Bria Valente's Biography and relevant & "credited" career information. The reason she is notable is because she is a Prince protoge who has an official CD release with the artist Prince called Lotus Flower. Any libelous or "insignificant" uncredited rumors are not warranted or necessary on a site such as this. Media Reviews have nothing to do with this persons biography and have no place on this page. No other musician includes CD reviews as part of their biography. This is vandalism by two or three editors who have a personal agenda to repeatedly attack the reputation of Bria valente and it is evident by their vandalizing edits. I am doing my best to keep it civil and to keep the content of this page clean and based on relevant facts. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falsewords333 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

User FalseWords333 has stated that they are a publicst to Bria Valente which puts them in a "conflict of interest" for editing and should be warned. Media Critic reviews are allwed and there is no point of reference to direct consumers to purchase or not purchase the product. If personal facts are to be adhered, please remove all dating references and anything that begins with "rumored", "unconfirmed", etc.

The body of work I included the subjects prior work with entertainer MASSARI and it was unduly deleted. This is factual content and should remain on the page. --Xcentrex (talk) 23:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

This article offers little or no biographical data and is written as a promotional ad for both the album and Prince's new website. I have deleted the website reference as it requires a payment to access any information, hence so can not act as a reference to the general population of Wiki-users.

If someone knows enough or cares to find out, they should actually create a biographical piece here. I don't fit that mold but I do know that promoting record sales is not one of Wikipedia functions so have deleted language which seemed to serve no other purpose. BeBopnJazz (talk) 10:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring, no neutral point of view !! reason = ernestwell/xentrex are editing with intent to sell or not sell a product adding multiple Cd reviews on a Biography. This site has biographies of public figure's that are written with a neutral point of view and based on personal facts, not product reviews intended to get consumers to buy or not to buy the product. They are not adhering to the policies and guidlines of this site. I have edited to correct this problem.

3RR complaint

I have protected this article for three days due to the complaint at WP:AN3#Falsewords333 reported by Xcentrex (Result: Protected). Please use this time to discuss article content with the other editors. If edit warring continues after protection is lifted, blocks may be issued. EdJohnston (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Reviews

Falsewords333 (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)falsewords333Falsewords333 (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC) I have said my peace, I do not believe that multiple Cd reviews by the media have a place on a Biographical site period. Positive or negative. Add touring details and dates, songwriting credits, notable collaborations and past projects, family members, marriage's and children, that makes much more sense to add to a biography. 'Massari' is a completely different artist alltogether and has no credible reference to Bria Valente. Providing links to his videos is to promote his music. If you like you can make a Bio page specifically for him on Wilkepedia. Thats how we keep it clean and to the point. There is no conflict of interest on my part, you have put forth as much effort as I have, yet i have remained perfectly reasonable and have not expressed any frustration or anger. This course of action you are pursuing shows your conflict of interest, not mine. Editors are on this site working hard to roll back rumors or libelous comments etc, it doesnt mean that if you see gossip/rumors like that on other pages you should follow the lead. One last thing. All the media reviews for the three CD's arent going anywhere, and are readily avail for the public to search for if they want to buy the album. Thank you.

The Massari music videos are part of her work history. What is wrong with that and how does that constitute a personal agenda. Not to be disrespectful, but do you comprehend English? A biography or in this case a type of encyclopedia includes everything about the public figure except for gossip but sometimes rumors are included. However, I have included no gossip or rumors. Just facts and content. How is this a conflict of interest and personal agenda? Please look up those words so you know the meaning as you seem to be confused about who has a personal agenday. Nothing about Ms. Valente is an "important" fact. I was merely editing to include all content based on what is out there as fact as you have seen everything posted was referenced and not just written out of the side of my ***. The credited information that she is in the Massari video is her face!! She is a distinctive pretty woman so yes, that is verifiable. I feel you have personal interests at stake. This conversation in itself is repetitive and honestly, over the top in your zealousness. There is no disrespect for what I initially edited nor contrived gossip or "unecessary" information. This was not that serious but you've made this into a far bigger deal for your own "conflict of interest". If you read the guidelines if you know are are close to the subject you should not be on here editing. --Xcentrex (talk) 06:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Falsewords333 (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)falswewords333Falsewords333 (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC) Your request for inclusion of multiple media reviews and "Massari" video links, to the administrator shows your conflict of interest and personal agenda. Not mine. You said you are a Prince fan, but offering gossip and "unecessary" information (product reviews and uncredited videos of another artist) regarding Bria Valente. Again this site is not a gossip site. This is an encyclopedia, with biographical information and real verified important facts. Please keep it simple and respectable for everyone. Everything has its place. It is not worth all this trouble. There is no credited information about her connection with this massari video and you are trying to promote his music providing links, totally unrelated. This site is not meant to promote and sell artist CD's or give product reviews. Why include them in a Bio? Makes no sense. P.S. her birth name Brenda Fuentes is already listed under the image, there is no need to add it twice in the article. Thank you

I'm in agreement with Falsewords333 regarding the Massari videos. There's a woman that looks like Bria Valente in the videos that were linked, but without a credit published in a reliable source, the claim constitutes original research, i.e. it's speculation and an opinion that it's Bria Valente in the videos. It very well may be her, but we need a reliable source that states this to meet the guidelines for biographies of living persons. dissolve^talk 18:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I've tried to move comments into chronological order. Everyone, please sign your posts, and add your new comment at the bottom of the page. EdJohnston (talk) 19:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Ed, for keeping things organized here, which isn't easy. As for the meat of the argument, I tend to think that Falsewords is right in arguing that these reviews should be left out of the main article, and X's inclusion of them is more than unnecessary, it's wrong (and in a horrible format, by the way). They are wrong in the comment above about the birth name: Falsewords, you could benefit from a healthy dose of looking at WP guidelines for style--and whatever is "under the image" is tangential to the article. The article should state what the article should state. If it should be left out anywhere it should be in that caption. There is no way you could 'win' this argument--every decent article on WP works like that. Stop claiming you're right and move on. I urge you also to proofread your contributions (in the article and on talk pages) more carefully: they are replete with grammatical errors. Drmies (talk) 20:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The birthname also seems to be a fact that's under contention. Allmusic gives Bria Valente's birthname as "Brenda Fuentes".[2] I can find no source for "Brenda M. Fuentes". Again, it may be correct, but we need a reliable source that has published this to include it. As Drmies points out, the inclusion of the name at the start of the article is covered in the guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies): the birth name of persons that have legally changed their name or use a stage name should be included at the start of an article. Infoboxes are meant to provide a summary of facts contained in the body of an article, not be the only place a fact is included. dissolve^talk 04:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the massari videos i found a Massari fansite that credits Bria Fuentes. Apparently Brias name was Brenda Fuentes but went by the name of Bria until she legally changed it to Bria Valente. Here is the link [3]

This was supposed to be a fun thing for me but Falsie took all F out of it. I happen to like Bria Valente and think she's hot but man this was like a cold shower.--Xcentrex (talk) 01:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the credit, please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Sources: fansites and other self-published websites are generally not considered to be reliable sources for biographies of living persons. dissolve^talk 18:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Ageless

She is a person of no age, it would seem, one of the unborn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.159.95.2 (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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I dont understand who keeps editing this Biography for BRIA VALENTE. It contains referenced content that offers only the Media Reviewers point of view. There are some rumors on there. Those should be deleted if we are going to play the "facts game". I believe Falswords333 has a personal agenda since personal photos have been posted by this user. If someone gets a bad review and it is referenced by the writer it does not offer a negative slant, but it is content that should be attributed to the subject. There is also a body of work that is completely disregarded in her early verifiable and factual work as a model/video girl in the Massari videos. There is no commodity being sold nor a reference point in where to obtain such cd. My edits should remain as posted. I own this album and I like it immensely but I cannot include my viewpoint. Falswords333 should be warned. (Xcentrex (talk) 22:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)) Falsewords333 (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)falsewords333Falsewords333 (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC) Edit warring, no neutral point of view. xentrex you are editing with intent to sell or not sell a product adding multiple Cd reviews on a Biography page. This site has biographies of public figure's that are written with a neutral point of view and based on personal facts, not product reviews intended to get consumers to buy or not to buy the product. You are not adhering to the policies and guidlines of this site. It is not intended to promote any product including Cd's or product reviews. This is an encylopedia, its about facts not rumors or product opinions. CD reviews have NOTHING to do with this persons Biography! Then please delete the reviews and delete ALL rumors, allegedly and unconfirmed. We cannot prove she is dating Prince so please leave it out. Reinstate the content of Massari Videos and her full previous name of Brenda M Fuentes.--Xcentrex (talk) 23:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

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