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This page was marked for deletion because it was alleged to be "not fact-based." I have cleared up what "irregularies" would refer to (primarily exclaves and panhandles). In addition, it was argued that such a list is not noteworthy. As all the geographic irregularities have their own pages (none of which I authored), this perceived non-noteworthiness seems incorrect. I believe that the calls to improve the page were well-founded and have led to an improved source. Oygovalt 02:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)oygovalt[reply]

PS: If someone feels like the name could be changed to US border irregularities, feel free. This newbie doesn't know how to do that. Oygovalt 02:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)oygovalt[reply]

Name

I think it would be more clear if this article were named "Border irregularities of U.S. states" or something to that point. Currently the name suggests irregularities in the national borders.
Awg1010 (talk) 18:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: /* Geographic irregularities */ changed wording of Fort Pillow

I changed the original wording under the Geographic Irregularities sect. for the Fort Pillow item from it being worded "Arkansas has territory at 35°39′N 89°52′W / 35.65°N 89.87°W across the Mississippi River on the northwest edge of Tennessee's Fort Pillow State Park, north of the Corona/Reverie, Tennessee irregularity below." to the following "Arkansas has territory at 35°39′N 89°52′W / 35.65°N 89.87°W across the Mississippi River on the northwest edge of Tennessee's Fort Pillow State Park, north of the Corona/Reverie, Tennessee irregularity (mentioned in the previous section)."

My reason is this: When I first read the item, I took the word "below" to refer to the fact that TN's Fort Pillow State Park is below the Arkansas territory shown in terms of being down river, as in stating New Orleans is below St Louis on the Mississippi River. But when I re-read the item, I read it as meaning that the Corona/Reverie irregularity was mentioned below, when it was mentioned above this item. I thought the best rewording was to remove the word "below" and clarify the Corona/Reverie, Tennessee irregularity was mentioned in the previous section to make sure it was clear. WayneyP (talk) 21:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Highway System Irregularities

Given the other listings, I would have to argue that Interstate 205 qualifies for listing here. Its numbering starts at its southern terminus at I-5 south of Portland, Oregon, but the Oregon numbering continues when it crosses the Columbia River into Washington until it rejoins I-5 north of Vancouver, WA. Timrprobocom (talk) 06:30, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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International - Canada - Hyder

It says that Hyder is only accessible by road, but if you look through Google Earth you will see it has a seaplane base. Also, the Wikipedia page on Hyder mentions this seaplane access as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.29.97.151 (talk) 19:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rio Grande Pene-Enclaves

This section has no source, and I don't see anything by Googling it. Can we find where this came from?

Sources on the general topic of the Rio Grande bancos can be found in the list below. For the specific citation for "From 1989 to 2009, there were 128 locations where the river changed course", if it's not contained in the reference list below, I might have it in my files.Jeff in CA (talk) 00:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Banco Convention of 1905

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Territorial evolution of the United States#Bancos along the Rio Grande

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Boundary Treaty of 1970

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I changed "pene-enclave" to "banco" and piped a link to Banco_Convention_of_1905#Effects -- BCorr|Брайен 15:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove highway irregularities

What makes "Highways US-2 and US-141 run in the state of Wisconsin and Michigan twice nonconsecutively." a border irregularity? What makes "Highway US 395 crosses from California into Nevada at Topaz Lake and 85 miles (137 km) later re-enters California." a border irregularly? How is "A straight section of Texas State Highway 115 travels through four counties (Andrews, Martin, Gaines, and Dawson) in a distance of less than one mile (1.6 km)." a border irregularity? Moreover, so what? The fact that a highway crosses borders in a way someone has perceived to be unique is not an irregularity of the border. Highway exclaves likewise do not have to do with border irregularities. "New York State Route 171, near Utica, does not intersect any other state highways (it once did, with NY 5S, but a realignment of that route took it away from the one intersection that NY 171 had)." So what??? "Ohio State Route 357 and Ohio State Route 575 exist entirely on islands in Lake Erie, disconnected from the state highway network (or any other road on the Ohio mainland) without a fixed link." Again, what makes this a border irregularity, per the title here? "U.S. Route 72 starts in Tennessee (in Memphis), travels through Mississippi for 90 miles (140 km), travels through Alabama for 167 miles (269 km), and then re-enters Tennessee (and ends in Chattanooga)." Is there some rule that U.S. routes or interstates are disallowed from reentering states once they've left? Again, I ask so what? And again, what makes this a border irregularity?

Nothing in this entire section has parallels or relationship with the actual border irregularities and it should all be removed. This is unsourced trivia of questionable importance that does not belong in the same article as the International and States and territories sections that actually fall under the page's title. Reywas92^Talk 20:08, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Iowa's panhandle

Based on the list of panhandles in the United States in the article, this means most of Lee County in Iowa likely qualifies to be listed as a Iowan panhandle since it is similar to a few listed panhandles in some way. 3461x (talk) 06:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Treaties between the U.S. and Mexico". International Boundary and Water Commission. Archived from the original on 2015-06-01. Retrieved 2015-06-12.
^ "Convention Between the United States of America and the United States of Mexico, Touching the International Boundary Line where it follows the Bed of the Rio Colorado" (PDF). November 12, 1884. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 6, 2015. Retrieved 2015-06-12.
^ Stacy, Lee, ed. (2003). Mexico and the United States. Marshall Cavendish. p. 146. ISBN 9780761474029. Retrieved 2015-06-12.
^ "Convention between the United States and Mexico for the Elimination of the Bancos in the Rio Grande from the Effects of Article II of the Treaty of November 12, 1884 (35 Stat.1863)" (PDF). March 20, 1905. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 9, 2015. Retrieved 2015-06-12.
^ Mueller, Jerry E. (1975). Restless River, International Law and the Behavior of the Rio Grande. Texas Western Press. pp. 64. ISBN 9780874040500.
^ International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico (1910). "Proceedings of the International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico, American Section — Elimination of Bancos — First Series – Nos. 1 to 58". Washington, DC: Press of Byron S. Adams. Retrieved 2012-12-20.
^ International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico (1912). "Proceedings of the International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico, American Section — Elimination of Bancos — Second Series – Nos. 59 to 89". Washington, DC: Press of Byron S. Adams. Retrieved 2012-12-20.
^ International Boundary and Water Commission. "Minutes 1 through 179". Archived from the original on 2015-06-16. Retrieved 2015-06-12.
^ International Boundary and Water Commission. "Minutes [180-320] between the United States and Mexican Sections of the IBWC". Archived from the original on 2015-07-13. Retrieved 2015-06-12.
^ "IBWC Maps of Bancos attached to IBWC Minutes 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 134, 136, 138, 139, 141, 169, 171, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 193, 204, 231, 237, 239 and 250". International Boundary and Water Commission. Retrieved 2015-09-27.
^ International Boundary and Water Commission. "Rio Grande Boundary Image Maps". Archived from the original on 2015-06-17. Retrieved 2015-06-12.
^ Metz, Leon C. (June 12, 2010). "Bancos of the Rio Grande". Handbook of Texas Online. Texas State Historical Association. Archived from the original on October 27, 2016. Retrieved July 13, 2015.
^ "IBWC Minutes". International Boundary and Water Commission. Retrieved September 11, 2017.
^ "USA-Mexico Bancos Map". Retrieved September 11, 2017.
^ 22 U.S. Code § 277d–34 - American-Mexican Boundary Treaty, authorization for carrying out treaty provisions; investigations; land acquisition, purposes; damages, repair or compensation

[ibwc-1] "Treaties between the U.S. and Mexico". International Boundary and Water Commission. Archived from the original on 2015-06-01. Retrieved 2015-06-12.

[2] "Convention Between the United States of America and the United States of Mexico, Touching the International Boundary Line where it follows the Bed of the Rio Colorado" (PDF). November 12, 1884. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 6, 2015. Retrieved 2015-06-12.

[Lee-3] Stacy, Lee, ed. (2003). Mexico and the United States. Marshall Cavendish. p. 146. ISBN 9780761474029. Retrieved 2015-06-12.

[C1905-4] "Convention between the United States and Mexico for the Elimination of the Bancos in the Rio Grande from the Effects of Article II of the Treaty of November 12, 1884 (35 Stat.1863)" (PDF). March 20, 1905. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 9, 2015. Retrieved 2015-06-12.

[Mueller-5] Mueller, Jerry E. (1975). Restless River, International Law and the Behavior of the Rio Grande. Texas Western Press. pp. 64. ISBN 9780874040500.

[IBC1-6] International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico (1910). "Proceedings of the International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico, American Section — Elimination of Bancos — First Series – Nos. 1 to 58". Washington, DC: Press of Byron S. Adams. Retrieved 2012-12-20.

[IBC2-7] International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico (1912). "Proceedings of the International Boundary Commission, United States and Mexico, American Section — Elimination of Bancos — Second Series – Nos. 59 to 89". Washington, DC: Press of Byron S. Adams. Retrieved 2012-12-20.

[8] International Boundary and Water Commission. "Minutes 1 through 179". Archived from the original on 2015-06-16. Retrieved 2015-06-12.

[9] International Boundary and Water Commission. "Minutes [180-320] between the United States and Mexican Sections of the IBWC". Archived from the original on 2015-07-13. Retrieved 2015-06-12.

[10] "IBWC Maps of Bancos attached to IBWC Minutes 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 134, 136, 138, 139, 141, 169, 171, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 193, 204, 231, 237, 239 and 250". International Boundary and Water Commission. Retrieved 2015-09-27.

[11] International Boundary and Water Commission. "Rio Grande Boundary Image Maps". Archived from the original on 2015-06-17. Retrieved 2015-06-12.

[12] Metz, Leon C. (June 12, 2010). "Bancos of the Rio Grande". Handbook of Texas Online. Texas State Historical Association. Archived from the original on October 27, 2016. Retrieved July 13, 2015.

[13] "IBWC Minutes". International Boundary and Water Commission. Retrieved September 11, 2017.

[14] "USA-Mexico Bancos Map". Retrieved September 11, 2017.

[15] 22 U.S. Code § 277d–34 - American-Mexican Boundary Treaty, authorization for carrying out treaty provisions; investigations; land acquisition, purposes; damages, repair or compensation

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