Talk:Bonaparte

On 31 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Bonaparte (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 31 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bonaparte → Bonaparte (disambiguation) – Per WP:ASTONISH. Standalone "Bonaparte" is automatically understood to mean Napoleon, whose entry is paired with a Napoleon (disambiguation) page. Likewise, the redirect Napoleon Bonaparte is paired with a Napoleon Bonaparte (disambiguation) page. All entries listed upon the Bonaparte disambiguation page (other than Bonaparte#People) are named after Napoleon, thus making Bonaparte another natural WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Napoleon. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I would have expected it to go to House of Bonaparte instead. The fact the we came up with different proposed primary redirects means there's no primary topic. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem that those who are researching Napoleon's family or descendants, would type "House of Bonaparte" or simply "Family of Napoleon", rather than just "Bonaparte". A plain google search shows that it has been commonplace to speak of "Bonaparte" when referring to Napoleon. Even back in 1838 Abraham Lincoln's Lyceum address, he said, "All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years." —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That says "a Bonaparte" AKA "a member of the House of Bonaparte" or possibly "a person with the surname Bonaparte". I would thing that supports my case. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"House of Bonaparte" is simply another way of saying "Family of Napoleon" who died in 1821. Thus, given that Napoleon himself was no longer available, Lincoln was obviously speaking metaphorically, since saying in 1838, "not even all the armies in the world with a Bonaparte in command could conquer us", would be like saying in 1938, "not even all the armies in the world with a Pershing in command could conquer us", or like saying in 1968, "not even all the armies in the world with an Eisenhower in command could conquer us", although in 1938 or 1968 or even today, Bonaparte, the alternative name for Napoleon, is still used as euphemism for a supreme military commander. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DPT, can you reflect on how https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Bonaparte shows a seemingly healthy scattering of traffic among multiple prominent topics? Also, I don't see the rationale for why this term being explained as such would astonish the average reader. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 12:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Clear primary redirect to Napoleon. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It doesn't seem obvious to me, mainly because people will type "Napoleon" if they want Napoleon. If they search "Bonaparte" they might want to know about his family, not just him. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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