Talk:Bob Enyart/Archive 1

Archive 1

South Bend, Indiana

I added the bit about Enyart's partial basing in South Bend, Indiana. I come from near there originally and Sumrall/LeSea are based there. Enyart could be seen around SB occasionally, though I never encountered him. I remember seeing an electrical business (?) near where I used to work in downtown South Bend with the same last name but I don't know if it was any connection to him.--MarshallStack 17:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

NPOV Dispute

Can anyone clarify these issues with some first-hand research?

BE: Yes, I can. I am Bob Enyart. Overall, the article is very accurate. There are just a few errors, mostly from the early 90s, corrected here:

The accuracy of several points on this page has been disputed (Date of birth as only the first example). BE: I was born in January of 1959, not 1957.

The NPOV notice is being placed for some unbalanced reporting with no cited research to back it up. Specifically:

• He claims to have converted to Christianity at age 16, but never acted on his new faith until the 1980s.

BE: In September 1973 at age 14 Bob converted from being a practicing Catholic to fundamentalist Christianity.

His website claims that he was heavily involved with evangelism and outreach as a teenager. BE: true

• Enyart's frequent jail stays led to the demise of his marriage.

BE: False, since my wife also had gone to jail as part of Operation Rescue's efforts to peacefully save unborn children by kneeling and praying in front of the doors of abortion clinics. My marriage was destroyed because I had not yet overcome the influence of sexual immorality, primarily pornography in my life, by which I undermined my own marriage and family.

His wife Krista filed for divorce in 1989 and gained custody of the couple's two sons. BE: Krista filed for divorce, but agreed to give me custody of the boys, as the Adam's County Colorado court so ordered.

Enyart's feelings of guilt over his divorce would lead him to resign from Operation Rescue. BE: I resigned from Operation Rescue when I realized that my marriage was falling apart, at least a few weeks before I realized that I was too blame for the marital failure, and probably more than a year before the divorce was finalized.

A second marriage would also end quickly in divorce. BE: True.

The original filing was supposedly for adultery; Enyart cites pornography in various sermons and messages against pornography. BE: Neither divorce filing gave any grounds other than irreconcilable differences, as best as I recall. Definitely, no grounds of adultery were ever claimed. Such claims are typically made in states that require grounds for divorce, or in cases where parties are fighting over property or custody, none of which was true here.

• During his show's nationwide run, Enyart began co-habitating with Cheryl Mayns, the ex-wife of a Jefferson County, Colorado sherriff's deputy.

BE: We lived separately until our wedding, as our four children and friends can attest.

Enyart was arrested [BE: charged, not arrested] in 1994 and ultimately convicted of misdemeanor child abuse in the beating [BE: beating if you insist, but it was a spanking, five swats on the backside] of Mayns' son Steven (then age 7) with a leather belt [BE: with a cloth belt off of one of Cheryl's dresses]. The beating left bruises, cuts, and welts on the boy's buttocks [BE: the police were there within minutes, and no bandages, medical care, or treatment of any kind was needed or given, the spanking resulted in a few red marks/welts on his backside].

While the facts of the abuse arrest and conviction are public record [BE: correct], the allegation of cohabiting is potentially damaging [BE: whatever that means, it's just not true].

• The publicity from the trial combined with mounting criticism of Enyart's extremist right wing views led LeSea to drop Enyart's show in 1995. S.B. The show didn't leave LeSea until Sept 1998.

Enyart alleges different reasons. BE: Oral Roberts Jr offered LeSEA Broadcasting significant payment for my timeslot in at least one of their major cities (Tulsa). So LeSEA asked me to move my show to the early morning hours, but I decided that after a few years airing in 80 cities, it was time to cancel the show rather than move it to an unworkable early morning timeslot. As far as LeSEA dropping the show due to "mounting criticism," this claim here is the first I've ever heard that.

Can anyone clarify these issues with some first-hand research? BE: I'll be happy to provide corroboration if possible. To verify that these remarks come from Bob Enyart, go to our KGOV.com or DenverBibleChurch.org websites and use the Contact Us information to reach our offices and my staff will confirm these remarks. Thanks. -Bob Enyart 24.8.87.100

(IP address added 03:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC) source: page history) -- User0529 (talk) 03:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I updated the article to reflect the comments made by Bob Enyart (above) that seemed non-controversial. While I no longer support his political, religious, or moral views I did watch his show while I was growing up (even attending it live once with my father) and from memory most what he says seems correct. However, since he is a controversial figure, I suspect nearly every claim in the article will eventually be disputed. So, I'm putting it in the uncited sources catagory and requesting clean up for it. All claims in this article should eventually be backed up with verifiable sources. -- Craigtalbert 23:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Holy Crusader?

I nominated this article for a neutrality check because the wording of this article seems too biased in favor of the subject. Too many weasel words, pictures the subject as some holy crusader hero. This might be great for Conservapedia, but not for the standards of Wikipedia. Jamie Guinn 12:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

What is a "weasel term"? Could you give some examples? Thanks. Cricket (talk) 16:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Lead sentence

It includes convicted child beater. I haven't looked at this too closely, but will try, but that caught my attention for sure. Thank you, --Tom 21:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

See above. Enyart was tried and sentanced for beating a minor child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mksmothers (talk • contribs) 22:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

rewrite

The article has basically been rewritten based on press coverage over the past 15 years. The focus has been on items which he's received press for (the OJ Simpson memorabilia burning, abortion protests, jail sentence for spanking a child, etc.) The article still needs work but let's try to keep it based on verifiable 3rd party sources going forward. This will help avoid POV issues which started the whole mess that ended up in an AFD. If you can't reference it or if it's not presented in a neutral, fact based language, dont add it to the article.--Rtphokie (talk) 01:18, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I do not believe Bob's wife was his "girlfriend at the time" of the spanking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grantjohndexter (talk • contribs) 17:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It's supported by the cited reference. Do you have a conflicting source? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 17:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

Bob Enyart is starting to edit the article. Editors should not be editing articles about themselves in violation of theconflict of interest guideline. A better tactic would be either to discuss concerns on the article talk page or to take things to the biographies of living persons noticeboard. I reverted the article back to the point prior to his edits. Msmothers (talk) 22:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I propose to delete the mention of the 1994 conviction on the following grounds:

• The conviction was more than 10 years ago.
• There is no way that we can verify that the user who admits to having been convicted is in fact the subject of the article.
• The website to which the conviction is sourced requires registration if one is to view more than just the first few sentences of the source material. Although lack of “ease of access does not affect the verifiability of the information taken from such sources,” the fact that the subject of the article is relatively unknown militates in favor of restraint in the inclusion of material.

This is my interpretation of policy. Will leave any further editing of this article to consensus. Bwrs (talk) 02:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with your conclusions on removing the child-abuse conviction. The Denver Post published an article on April 10, 1999 that confirmed the conviction for misdermeaner child abuse:

"Enyart was convicted in 1995 of misdemeanor child abuse resulting in injury for inflicting bruises, welts and broken skin on the buttocks of his stepson, Stephen, who was 7 at the time. The misdemeanor case took two trials in Jefferson County and almost five years to play out."

It is germaine in that the trial took five years, resulted in jail time and resulted in the seperation of the child from his mother and mother's boyfriend. He also gained media exposure in speaking about child discipline with speaking engagements on Politically Incorrect and Fox News. It also acts as a juxtaposition between his work as a morale crusader against homosexuality and abortion and with his treatment of children. Msmothers (talk) 03:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Spanking striking beating belting

Hi, all. I made a small change, yesterday, which someone has since asked about. So I thought I'd explain: The word 'spanking' can technically mean 'belting.' However, in this day and age, it almost always refers to open hand slapping. This is not, of course, what happened in Enyart's case, and so I think a generic term such as 'striking' is much more appropriate. Please note I am avoiding the use of 'belting' or 'beating,' which might be considered slightly POV.--Hurtstotalktoyou 08:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense, just curious. -- Craigtalbert 06:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, "striking a child" sounds more extreme than "belting a child." The latter is more specific, so I would think it would make a better description of the act. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.45.202.239 (talk) 21:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Fundamentalist individual?

Hi everyone,

I see that this article is part of Category:Christian fundamentalism. Are there any references that say he is a Christian fundamentalist?

--Kevinkor2 (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Currently, there is no text in the body of the article that says Bob Enyart is a Christian fundamentalist.

I removed the category with this edit.

--Kevinkor2 (talk) 03:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Young earth creationist

• RSR: Anti-Creationist AronRa YouTube Star (Interview).

Enyart repeatedly claims the world to be about 6,000 years old. 91.39.102.93 (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2017

Add: Enyart has been implicated by some in the death of Jon Benet Ramsey.

This statement does NOT say that he DID kill Jon Benet just that SOME people think he did. References I provided indeed prove there are people out there who think he may have. Wether Mr. Enyart likes it or not is not relevant.Brotato5797 (talk) 06:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Brotato5797 (talk) 06:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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