Talk:Blank Banshee

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Requested move 13 December 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Discussion of the article's notability and whether it should be deleted should continue, but there's no reason to have the article at unnecessary disambiguation. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:50, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blank Banshee (musician) → Blank Banshee – Blank Banshee (musician) was only created because Blank Banshee was deleted several times Ilovetopaint (talk) 10:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ilovetopaint, DBigXray, and BarrelProof:This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Blank Banshee is currently WP:Salted.--DBig Xrayᗙ 11:36, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Per the comment from DBigXray and prior AfD discussion, that should be moved to Draft space or Userfied unless there is some consensus that it should be on Wikipedia. The three related album articles that link to it (Blank Banshee 0, Blank Banshee 1, and Mega (Blank Banshee album)) should also be evaluated for similar treatment. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- It has reliable sources coverage such as Vice, The Fader, and SF Weekly so deserves to be unsalted and stay in mainspace in my view, also the album pages are also notable with reliable sources coverage Atlantic306 (talk) 21:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the sources fail verification. Examples:

"The album earned praise and was well received." - the Adam Harper ref just calls the album a "masterwork", no mention of its critical reception.

"An accompanying tour spanning Europe and North America called 'The MEGA Tour' followed its release in 2017." - refs are just concert reviews or photos from a San Francisco show plus a link to Blank Banshee website

"The album's style and influence were instrumental in the early development of vaporwave and it's subgenres." - no less than 6 refs are supplied and only one says anything close to Blank Banshee having any musical impact whatsoever --- a spin-off called vaportrap "first came into prominence" on the album --- doesn't even credit the album with actually creating the genre!

Some of the citations included a user-submitted Sputnik Music album review and redundant links to Blank Banshee's website, which I've removed.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 05:50, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy move If notability is an issue this needs to go through CFD/AFD, not left with unnecessary disambiguation. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:37, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Editing remarks

Great work so far guys! Just a few notes: this article still needs some work so when you see the opportunity to contribute please do!

I think expanding the categories would be a great idea.

Agreed with Ilovetopaint, to my knowledge there is no article stating Blank Banshee created vaportrap.

Let’s make sure everything is sourced, cited and worded properly. I noticed that you made an edit to the Vaporwave article stating that Blank Banshee popularized vaportrap which I thought was a great way to phrase it so I went with that. :) Angel ex Machina (talk) 11:47, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Ilovetopaint for adding the maintenance tags, I made the necessary changes accordingly and since I’ve removed them I figured I would break down what I did! (Also - great idea splitting the sections up by album. I added the years to coincide. ) Ferguson - not listed as a collaborator beyond 2011 on any Blank Banshee liner notes. That was my error as I suspect (but have no actual source to verify) his current vocal collaborator was the same person but perhaps operating under an alias. Included more information on ‘Blank Banshees’ (plural) as featured performers at the 2011 East Coast Music Awards. Located a reliable third party source confirming tour dates. I changed the genre to electronic - logic behind that being Blank Banshee’s own Bandcamp identifies his genre as ‘electronic’ where as publications typically refer to him as “vaporwave", "vaportrap" or simply "trap” all of which fall under the umbrella term ‘electronic music’. Angel ex Machina (talk) 12:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

birth year, 1986, 1987, or 1988?

I've seen three different birth years for Blank Banshee from three different sources

1986 from an interview with Melisma Magazine, which I'd never heard of before researching, but seems like it could be legit: https://www.melismamagazine.com/interviews/fptd2i8q7duf42lctckdzz0trf7mlu
1987 from Wikipedia, seems to have been added without a source, also mentioned in the above interview: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blank_Banshee&oldid=929094177
1988 from MusicBrainz editor "hologrambay", which appears like it could be the artist, as they share a name with Blank Banshee's own label and have only a few edits on Blank Banshee and Hologram Bay entities: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/42982137

I'm leaning slightly towards 1986, as it's seemingly got a proper source and matches more closely with his comment about using Napster to download music when he was 13, but I'm still not 100% sure either way. I do think 1987 is wrong, as I haven't seen a source for this year

I also started a discussion on the MusicBrainz forums: https://community.metabrainz.org/t/need-opinions-on-artists-birthday-blank-banshee-conflicting-dates/691502?u=ultimateriff

UltimateRiff (talk) 20:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]