Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Reval

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Autonomy

This diocese was never a secular state.

Flag and arms are wrong. These are of the city of Tallinn (Reval). The arms of the bishop was gules, two long crosses in saltire argent.

This diocese was never a secular state, I must repeat! The article is desinforming!

Whole the section History is a misinterpretation of real facts. Livonian order held Estonia until 1561. Magnus was a secular ruler of Ösel-Wiek and of Courland (which had already been secular states from 13th century), but not of Reval, which was only a catholic diocese during its whole existence. Arms and flag are wrong (those of the City of Reval). Bishop had only the castle of Borkholm (now Porkuni). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.110.66 (talk • contribs)

Secular seems to be the wrong word; do you mean that the bishopric was only a diocese and not a prince-bishopric? Olessi 14:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.110.66 (talk • contribs)

Content

The accuracy of much of this article has been questioned by 193.40.110.66. I have found little information about the bishopric on the web in English, and the anonymous user above asserts that it was merely a diocese and not an independent state (backed by [1]). I have placed the infobox within the hidden markings , as the article does not seem to actually be about a former country. For all of the infobox to be hidden, I had to remove the internal hiding of the Currency and Flag lines. Olessi 16:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

German wikipedia

Der Bischof war allein geistlicher Hirte und kein Landesherr. Seine Besitz bestand aus Tafelgütern in der Diözese und mit dem Verlust seines Episkopalrechts an die Stadt Reval durch das lübische Stadtrecht war er dieser gegenüber auch seiner geistlichen Machtstellung beraubt. This quotation is taken from article [2] of German wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.40.110.66 (talk) 09:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Whereas the latter two had, in addition to the ecclesiastical authority in their domain, also lay authority, the Reval (Tallinn) bishop had no such right in his bishopric. [3]

An unknown and malicious ignorant reverts again and again idiotic claim, that the bishopric of Reval was a temporal state, ignoring German and Estonian articles. I am uncapable to fight him/her.

In the Porkuni castle is now Porkuni Limestone Museum [4] and [5]

Oh that's funny, I looked back at the edit history what was this all about. And it appeared the article used to be another state from series Principality of Estland. I'm sure User:JJJ999 would love to have one of the older versions of this for his/her collection.--Termer (talk) 00:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]