Talk:Bingo! (AKB48 song)

On 11 March 2014, it was proposed that this article be moved from Bingo! (song) to Bingo! (AKB48 song). The result of the discussion was moved.

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The result of the move request was: moved to Bingo! (AKB48 song). There is a consensus here both to retain the exclamation point and to add the artist's name as a disambiguating term. Xoloz (talk) 02:34, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bingo! (song) → Bingo (AKB48 song) – Bingo lists Bingo (Gucci Mane song) and 8 others. A "!" doesn't provide sufficient WP:CRITERIA recognizability for those looking for the Japanese song or indeed looking for any of the English ones, particularly since the word "Bingo" id accompanied by an exclamation mark in its most common uses (in games of bingo).
Note that an almost identical set of issues arose at Talk:So Long (AKB48 song)#Requested_move (proposed by by In ictu oculi, whose rationale I have copied and embellished here), where there was unanimous support for renaming. After I closed it as "move", I was asked to move this one. I initially declined, and suggested an RM discussion, but later decided that was un-neeedd bureaucracy, and moved it. That move was reverted by another editor, who believes that since if an exclamation mark is insufficient disambiguation, there should be a rule specifying that. I disagree; WP:NOTBURO, and we don't need to codify every nuance. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. The title has an exclamation mark. It is incorrect to drop it.
Also, there have been similar discussions that ended differently. For example:

I think it is unfair to continue with these moves (with inconsistent results) until there has been a thorough discussion about disambiguating titles with punctuation marks. Until there is some sort of Wikipedia rule/guideline about that.

I also think that the results of the move proposals at Talk:Want (Berryz Kobo song)#Requested move and Talk:So Long (AKB48 song)#Requsted move were incorrect and must be reverted.
That's why:
1. First of all, the main reasoning was that "punctuation was frequently dropped" and it was simply not true in those cases. A move discussion is not a vote and !votes with incorrect reasoning must not be taken into account. (There was no evidence, yet the same reasoning was repeated over and over. The Japanese media would never drop a punctuation mark, never.)
2. Second, read this: User_talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive_029#Want!. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The reason result of RMs are different is that print sources exist for most English song cases. But for most Japanese and Korean songs there are few print sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Bingo! (AKB48 song) - the exclamation point should be retained, but it should be distinguished from other Bingo songs, albums which use similar stylizations. -AngusWOOF (talk) 15:43, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Bingo! (AKB48 song) as per previous RMs. Particularly since this is purely decorative use of "!" on a Japanese language song. Also note that this article should have had a hatnote redirecting the dozens of other Bingo (disambiguation) songs, but giving a recognizable title to the article is a better solution. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! I'm not sure what happened and why the AKB48 song is now at So Long! (AKB48 song) and why everyone agrees not to drop the exclamation mark, but I am very grateful. (I don't mind disambuguating the title if you think it should be done. I am just against dropping the punctuation. I would even vote to move it to Bingo! (AKB48 song), but I am afraid now, after what happened at Want!.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Moscow Connection, I fully agree with you, I'm fully in favor of keeping "!" "..." "?" in all cases. The "!" etc. provides help for some users and harms no one. I think the idea (of another editor) was that disambiguation demands identical punctuation so "!" must be stripped, but no evidence was provided of this nor is there anything in WP:DAB or any guideline saying this. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I have filed a new move request for "Want!" too. Here: Talk:Want (Berryz Kobo song)#Requested move 2. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Goodo, have been there and supported. There doesn't need to be any conflict between both providing name of artist, and providing exact punctuation; it isn't an either/or and it's good to see a consensus emerging on this. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support!! inclusion of exclamation points, which are linguistically significant. DeistCosmos (talk) 19:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to include artist name since there are several songs by this name. No comment about exclamation marks. —BarrelProof (talk) 06:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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