Talk:Billie Joe Armstrong/Archive 2

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Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Sources/clean up/vandalism

I cleaned up the article a lot tonight. Past vandalism was still in the article from 20 or so edits ago.

About the sources: His mother gave him Blue when he was 11 years old. He stated this in a video on the Idiot Club, however you have to pay to join the club and see the video. I don't know what to do about this, because people keep going through and changing "mother" to "father." His father died when he was 10, he received the guitar when he was 11.

I noticed there's a lot of statements that sources have been requested for, and I'm digging up what I can, but if you have anything, but you're unsure if it helps, go ahead and reply back here with whatever links you can and I'll fish through them and help figure out what's best.

I've noticed the big issues on the article are: People deleting the bisexual fact even though it's sourced, and people changing "mother" to "father" in Equipment in relation to Blue. So if you guys could help me check those regularly, that would be better than great.--Jude 14:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The same two trivia facts and the "bisexuality" section of the article keep disappearing from the same IP, and then suddenly started disappearing from a new IP address:

1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:139.168.132.197

2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:202.168.107.14

Just FYI to keep a look out.--Jude 12:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed from trivia section an allusion that he had a cat that died because of a line from "Deadbeat Holiday" that goes "Wake up, the house is on fire, and the cat's caught in the drier." Genius bit of deduction to the person that put that up but I think there needs to be more than just a song to make it valid. Besides, its a convenient phrase to keep with the rhyme scheme. Don't just post random deductions because it's supported by a song. Not everything written in lyrics can be taken at face value as true. Seriously, people, think before you edit. 216.125.11.206 03:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Zero really did die in the washing machine. The line was inspired by the death of the cat. It was one of those "based on a true story" sort of deals. Zero didn't die in the drier, but drier rhymes with fire. But you're right, the song doesn't count as a source.--JUDE ^talk 17:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually the cat did die in the dryer. I remember reading about it as far back as in 1995. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.8.6 (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Pure evil? WTF Titan50 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Driven

Does anyone know the name of the song that he plays at his talent show in driven?--69.113.131.124 20:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Joseph's b-day

Is his first son's birthday in febuary or in march? The article says it's in febuary,but i read somewhere it was march 15 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tamwyn alex (talk • contribs) 23:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

The source from the article says February, but I'd rather not get into a huge discussion about kids you/other fans don't even know.--Jude 11:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Still,i'd like to know.People here talk about all sorts of things.I'd rather not get into a discusion about his sexuality,but it's here,right.After all this is talk.I was just wondering—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.69.18 (talk) 01:36, 27 January 2007

Well, the huge difference is that his son is a child and Billie Joe is a grown man who chooses to have his sexuality known. If Joey's birthday is sourced twice as February, then it's most likely February. I'm sorry that I don't know how else to help you.--Jude 04:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes,but I've seen tons of places where it says he's born in March.I'm looking for someone who actually KNOWS when his birthday is.Since YOU don't,I'll wait for someone who DOES.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.69.18 (talk) 05:59, 27 January 2007

First of all, please Sign your posts. It gets tedious when people have to sign them for you. Second of all, I do, personally, know when his birthday is, however I'm telling you straight up that the article, with valid sources ( Mr. Armstrong himself ), says that it's in February, therefore, it is in February. I keep telling you over and over and you keep asking and it's taking up valuable space on the talk page. Please refer to the article for any other questions you may have, because the information is there.--Jude 07:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

So he directly tells the whole world that his son was born in febuary,and you saw it ?Alright just checking.Please,don't eat me.I'm new.-Tamwyn alex—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.69.18 (talk) 04:16, 30 January 2007

No, no one saw it but the person doing the Rolling Stone interview and the other guys in the band. He directly told Rolling Stone that his son's birthday was in february. I'm not trying to hold anything over anyone's head. I'm not going to eat anyone lol. I'm just trying to clarify that this was in an INTERVIEW. He said it to someone of notability who wrote it in an article. I didn't hear anything. 8-|. Just FYI, this is the source right on the front page of the article that has the quote straight out of his mouth: Rolling Stone Scan--Jude 09:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

What happened to the pictures in this article? James P Twomey 15:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I've seen the picture in "Personal Life" article and i was wondering, if he seem to be one of the few artist that has a pretty happy personal life why the only picture in this article is the one of his arrest, a least lets put a photo of him with his family if there is any? what do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.223.77.252 (talk) 08:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Because the use of the non-free mugshot can be rationalized due to his arrest. If you can find a free image of his personal life, by all means, replace that image. However, make sure the picture is truly free. —C.Fred (talk) 15:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

divorced

Who put that he divorced Adie and is a 17 year old?--69.113.131.124 20:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

"Armstrong rececently divorced wife Adrienne Nesser because she was reported to be having an affair with his best friend and band mate Mike Dirnt. He is now rumored to be dating a seventeen year old girl from Texas named Jewel"

even though i dun like Billie Joe but i guess the person who must have put that must b Jewel G..........if billie joe has divorced adriane then i want proof≈—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dm1989 (talk • contribs) 20:33, 28 January 2007

I removed it. It's bull.--Jude 00:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe billie joe is married still to adrienne. 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.181.164 (talk) 23:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

thank u....n who ever who put that next time give proof..............—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.148.64.18 (talk) 10:26, 29 January 2007

Actually,on a fan site,there was a MADE up story about him divorcing adrienne a dating some 17 year old.IT WAS A FAN STORY.someone probably mistook it for reals.

Another reason why you shouldn't believe everything you read. In fact I would only believe something if I heard it from Green Days official site.

Hah, whoever put that was an idiot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviant;woahvampire (talk • contribs) 07:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice pic

Whoever put the Billie joe pic,it's aewesome.Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.8.69.18 (talk) 04:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

Yes, muchly thank you for the pic. Much awesomeness. Missy C and The Moozik Choosers 06:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Panic Attacks?

Could someone just verify for me when this is shown in the Basket Case video? I've seen it, and I can't see anything that looks panic attack related.--JJ

I can't verify the original editor's point of view when they added the trivia, but I could try to elaborate on it. While I'm neutral about whether or not his panic attack symptoms are portrayed in the video, it is completely possible that they are there. He exhibits a frantic, panicked set of movements throughout the video, which can be associated with panic attacks. His symptoms are exclusive to his personality, therefore it's hard to say what he does when he has an attack. Those of us who experience panic attacks typically have some generalised symptoms and also completely individual symptoms. So you see, it's very hard to tell. If there was an interview where Billie Joe stated that the video portrayed this, it would help a lot, because that's the only method we would have to verify it. I'll see what I can find on it, because I do recall reading the "fact" in question, however it could have been a flub.--Jude 09:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The only source I could find that verified his panic disorder is this one:

VH1: What do you feel you were addressing in "Basket Case?"

Billie Joe: "Basket Case" was about anxiety attacks and feeling like you're ready to go crazy. At times I probably was. I've suffered from panic disorders my entire life. I thought I was just losing my mind. The only way I could know what the hell was going on was to write a song about it. It was only years later that I figured out I had a panic disorder.[1]

which doesn't state the video portrays his attacks. I'm going to re-write the fact to fit the facts.--Jude 09:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Smoking?

Does he still smoke?--69.113.131.124 22:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep!--JUDE ^talk 22:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Name

Are his first names really Bille Joe or are they, in fact, William Joseph and no one knows him under his real name, expecting family and friends? --86.103.207.38 16:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

His name is Billie Joe. Technically, I suppose in western cultures "Joe" would be considered his middle name, however in some southern (USA) cultures people go by their first and middle names (like my family, who call me by my first and middle names). He is the only member of Green Day to go by his birth-given full name.--JUDE ^talk 18:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Danke ;-) --86.103.207.38 19:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Keine Ursache :)--JUDE ^talk 20:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we need to verify. My sources indicate that he was not born in the USA, but in either Canada or Denmark?

The source which exists is where Billie discusses the origin of his name and where he was born.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 10:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite sure he was born in USA The cheese master 08:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

another photo

I notice the photos tend to get switched in and out a lot. Of course, that doesn't mean there can't be more than one. I've changed the photo again because the previous one was a far away shot of a screen, and this one is up close, as well as freely licensed. So there you go, do with it as you see fit. — coel acan — 11:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! I dig.--JUDE ^talk 12:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool with me. What is it about men with eyeliner that makes them look so good... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe this is still one of science's great unanswered questions. — coel acan — 20:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Can we possibly have sort of an album on the page? Something different...--Missy C and The Moozik Choosers 06:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately we can't. You can see the usage restrictions on album covers at template:albumcover, which limits the usage on wikipedia as "solely to illustrate the audio recording in question". So for example Image:GreenDayDookie.jpg can be used to illustrate the Dookie article, but nowhere else. This is a restriction of United States fair use law, outlined in Wikipedia policy at wikipedia:fair use. — coel acan — 19:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Huh, what happened to the photo?? --The cheese master 05:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Billie Joe is Billie Joe not William Joeseph..

Dude, what happened to the photo (again)??? Deandra56 14:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

party member

I don't think the Advocates for Self-Government are a reliable source regarding his party membership. Are there any reliable sources that don't have a vested interest in claiming him that can be used to source this? — coel acan — 12:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

How about the East Bay Express? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

That will do fine. — coel acan — 12:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice Guys Finish Last

John Roecker called him "the nicest guy you ever wanted to meet", isn't that ironic. --69.113.131.124 22:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It's a sarcastic song.--JUDE ^talk 00:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the song's sarcastic. Its not ironic because everybody gets called the nicest person you ever wanted to met.--Kingforaday1620 15:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

religious veiws

does anyone know is religious veiws?

He's not so religious.He was when he was making look for love as a 5 year old,there was an interview and he said he learned about the bible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviant;woahvampire (talk • contribs) 07:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Joeys Birthday.

IS IN FACT, March.

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How do you know?

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It's February 28, 1995. It says so in genology sites and california birth records. Plus, in an interiew Billie Joe even says that Joey's birthday is in February. http://www.greendayauthority.com/TheBand/articles/rollingstone011206.jpg --Chemicallyjinxyx (talk) 01:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Blue

I had actually heard that he received his guitar, Blue, from his Mother. IT was apparently his second guitar and his first guitar was given to him by his dad, but it was not Blue. 68.11.101.204 05:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

i am not bisexual...fuck all off you

somebody wrote that the subject of "coming clean" and "basket case" is that BJ is bi. basket case is about panic attacks,so i changed it.

Billie in not bi is just a rumor started by a magazine. He has stated that Adie is the only person for him. Billie Joe also strongly suggests that you don't believe everything thats printed in a magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.228.213 (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Well said. Well said indeed.

^ He not bi. You can't believe other people, but I would believe the words from his own lips. However, I think that including the quote after saying he's bisexual is a bit redundant...He said he's not bi, and here's what he said. Does it need to be included? We've got this article semi-locked, so we don't need to worry about the fangirls(u can have SEX with me) changing it. I just think it reads better as one sentence; I feel like the quote's been put there to prove that it's authentic (and to stop said fangirls from changing that fact), but it's unnecessary, really. 67.64.149.184 02:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Amy

BJ is not bisexual, he has never openly and seriously admited to being bisexual. It's just a image stunt trick to make you think so. Dont believe everything you read. Billie joe is as heterosexual as his dad was.

Again, well said.

Ha! I fixed it! Billie Joe is NOT BI! I removed the part that said so.--Greenday21 (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

He says he identifies as bisexual. He does not practice it. It has a source. It's quoted directly from him. Get over it. AlexanderAwful (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

^ Why can't you accept the truth? He always kisses Tre and Mike! They're all bisexual, but no one said that they have relations with other men. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revilal90 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Billies Guitar(Mistake)

It is always mistaken by mannnyyyy. that billie first guitar was a blue fernandes strat.. its wrong , taht was his first ELECTRIC guitar.. billies first guitar was actually a CHERRY RED HOHNER(acoustic) which his dad bought him.. HIS BLUE- was bought by his mum from billies guitar teacher, it was a copy of hendrixs, and billie loved that distortion he couldnt get of his acoustic.. Rumour has it that his mom couldnt afford the guitar , so she did something else to purchase.

SOURCE- 1)NobodyLikesYou(contains interviews with fellow family and friend, so its reliable) 2) Early pictures of BJ with his HOHNER..

i CANT CHANGE IT COZ ITS NEW.. SO SOMEONE PLEASE DO IT . THANKS :d

"Rumour has it that his mum couldnt afford the guitar , so she did something else to purchase." Don't say it LIKE THAT! If you say it LIKE THAT, you're gonna make people think she slept with his guitar teacher or something to get it! Nobody wants their mum to be portrayed like that! So please, if you can, tell us what she REALLY DID to get the guitar. That way, the rest of us can get our moinds out of the gutters and stop thinking that she slept with the teacher in exchange for the guitar. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.23.172.204 (talk) 04:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

It says in the instruments section, that the copies of his guitar "Blue" are among those in his Fender collection. While the copies very well may be Fender guitars, I believe that the fact that "Blue" was originally a Fernandes Stratocaster-like guitar should be mentioned.--Torma616 (talk) 01:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Time in the UK?

Did Billie Joe spend some time in the UK when young? Just wondering why he sings with a British accent. Or is it fake?Ndriley97 18:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Does he sing with a British accent? Doesn't sound that way to me, though I appreciate that the perception of accent is a personal thing. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 09:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

In Dookie on a lot of song he does sing in a british accent, it can especially be heard on Longview. He used to say "i sound like an englishman impersonating an american impersonating a british". He sings that way because he thought that was punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.8.6 (talk) 11:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Total agreed. He sings "Boit moi lips and close moi ois" just like a Brit would. I like a lot of their music, but I have had a serious problem with the fake mockney accent since Dookie came out. I also think that is why a lot of the old school Brit punk scene (e.g. John Lydon) consider him a poser who is not really a punk rocker. However, I leave people to draw their own conclusions.Ndriley97 21:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

BILLIE JOE DONT CHANGE

BILLIE JOE HAS SAID E WANTS TO BE TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY AS A SONGWRITER..SOO I CHANGED HIS FIRST OCCUPATION TO SONGWRITER RATHER THAN MUSICIAN.. SO DONT CHANGE IT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitarhead13 (talk • contribs) 11:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't matter. He's a musician. You crazy fan..--Revilal90 (talk) 13:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

one of the most influential?

"Armstrong is one of the most popular and influential guitarists in rock music today and is widely credited with the revival of punk in the early 1990s."

I understand him being one of the most popular, but inflential and WIDELY credited with the revival?? Where is the source on any of these things? i believe this is only an opinion and not a fact. even on rolling stone's "The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time" he is not listed. so where is the proof, or source of his most influential, or widely credited things?? this is only an opinion, therefore please remove such nonsence.

66.215.93.151 07:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Erm.. .. Green day revived the whole punk scene alongside with offspring.. they were the only mainstream punk band in the 90s. and no it is i a fact... rolling stones rates guitarists according to their talent.. and he is said to be influential because he gets children to pick up guitars and start learning them.. not many guitarists can do them.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.9.86 (talk) 18:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

how do you know he is influential? you have to put sorces and credit these things, you cant just say he's one of the most influential just because you like him.

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it says he's WIDLY credited. do you have even 1, or 2 people saying that? how is it widley? if so show sources and proof

I took that crap off, it was POV original research.James P Twomey 16:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Harmonica

There's no harmonica in King for a day. He plays it in Walking alone. And what song on American Idiot does he play the harmonica?--Kingforaday1620 22:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

On stage, he plays harmonica in the bridge for King For A Day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.116.222 (talk) 04:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Obvious...

Just removed the most obvious vandalism possible that said Billie was evil. It was in the infobox, how can someone vandalize that? Guess it was by a random registered user, but that isn't right all the same. Fishdert (talk) 01:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Accodian, Bass and Violin?

Theres a rumor spreading that Billie can play Guitar, Piano, Drums, Harmonica, Mandolin, Saxophone AND Accordian, Bass and Violin! Is the second half true?

He was cool he is call. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.0.5 (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The second half is not true. 71.167.116.222 (talk) 04:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Link to subway

Hello. A passage in this article refers to Armstrong's father working as a "truck driver for subway." I'm not sure which meaning of "subway" is intended here. Can someone help? Thanks. --Tkynerd (talk) 19:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It's supposed to be a truck driver for Segway.71.167.116.222 (talk) 04:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

^His father Andy WAS NOT a truck driver for Subway, but rather for Safeway, the food company, and he probably delivered Safeway Brand food products to the locations where they are sold (Vons, Stater Bros., Ralph's (although back then it might've been Hugh's, although it may have been something else, too.) Moat likely, he delivered to nearby states such as California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and possibly Oregon or Washington State. Source: My father is also a truck driver. But don't get excited; I am not Mr. Billie Joe Armstrong, nor do I have any relations with anyone associated with him, and my father doesn't drive for Safeway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.253.9 (talk) 23:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Former guitarist of Pinhead Gunpowder?

Pinhead Gunpowder is going to play two shows, is it a fact he is no longer in the band? He's still listed at Pinhead Gunpowder as a guitarist and vocalist. For the time being I'll remove the former thing because, as far as I know, he's still in it. Di4gram (talk) 05:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Rodeo or Oakland

The info box has one place of birth, the lead another.... which is correct? --DFRussia (talk) 08:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Now it's even worse: click on 'Oakland' and it redirects you to 'Rodeo'! --138.246.7.104 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.216.151.213 (talk) 21:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit

Okay, why cant we edit this page? BJ is not bisexual, he never was, and i want to get rid of that--71.183.217.40 (talk) 16:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)greenday21

Because there's a reliable source where he declares openly that he is? Just because you don't like something, doesn't give you the power to change a fact.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 15:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Also know as...

i put Fink (The Network) and The Reverend Strychnine Twitch (Foxboro Hot Tubs) in his alias —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.153.227 (talk) 05:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop Drop and Roll -- Lead Vocals, Guitar

I don't know if he plays guitar in the studio but live he only sings.--Kingforaday1620 (talk) 22:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Bisexuality

I may ask that the page be blocked from editing by unregistered users as his avowed bisexuality (spoken from his OWN mouth) keeps getting deleted. His statement is a direct quote from him, that he is indeed bisexual. You may dislike the fact that he is, but it is referenced from an extremely reliable source & a direct quote from Armstrong's own mouth stating he is bisexual. Grow up. He says he is, then he is. Stop removing cited material because you dislike facts. ExRat (talk) 18:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, his quote does not speak in definitive terms. Particularly as he states that bisexuality is the natural default for humanity. It would be more accurate to state that Billie Joe has expressed some bisexual leanings. This is not the same thing as a confession of a practiced lifestyle and the current wording is potentially misleading.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 19:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

You're making a loose interpretation (Original Research). The quote has him plainly declare that he has always been bisexual, even if he's never acted upon it.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

This is not an issue of original research. Original research would be ignoring the relevant explanation that he, himself, provides in favor of personal interpretation. Billie Joe clearly states "I think I've always been bisexual. I mean, it's something that I've always been interested in."

"I mean" is a conditional phrase that modifies the first section of his sentence. He continues to modify his original sentence by stating that people are "born bisexual". Meaning that it is the default state, in his opinion. In other words he believes everyone is bisexual, himself included. This is not the same as a declaration that he has always been bisexual. His first sentence does not exist in a vacuum. Therefore the entry should reflect this more accurately than it currently does.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 20:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

"I think I've always been bisexual. I mean, it's something that I've always been interested in" ~ Billie Joe Armstrong.

That sounds pretty damn definitive to me. He said he is. Stated it quite clearly. Your interpretation seems rather original resarch. ExRat (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Last I checked, expressing an interest in something is not synonymous with doing or being something. Yes, He said he is. And then he clearly qualified his original statement. All his words should be considered and the entry should reflect his full statement, not just a part. Furthermore, this is not original research. These are his own words. He very clearly stated that he believes that bisexuality is the natural default state for everyone, himself included.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 22:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

"I think I've always been bisexual." Firstly, it is Original Resarch on your part. Regardless if he believes all people are inherently bisexual, he stated unequivocally that he is bisexual. So, he believes that all people are inherently bisexual.....and? Does that somehow make him "less bisexual"? And you are somehow able you gauge to what "degree" of bisexual he is? He clearly said he is bisexual, therefore, he believes himself to be bisexual. And as for your statement "This is not the same as a declaration that he has always been bisexual", that is a contradiction - "I mean, it's something that I've always been interested in". Also, if he were not bisexual, and didn't believe himself to be bisexual, why would he then make a statement that bisexuality is a natural default state? I hardly think one who isn't bisexual and solely heterosexual would come to the conclusion that they are bisexual in their natural default state. ExRat (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Not original research to take into consideration the entirety of his statement. Not at all. His first sentence does not exist in a vacuum and you can't say otherwise with any degree of accuracy. You claim his statement was unequivocal, but it cannot be so if he provided conditions. That's how the word works.

Now, If he believes that all people are inherently bisexual, then what is the difference between him and the other band members, beyond an expressed interest? He has been "interested" in bisexuality, that is what he "meant" when he said "I think I've always been bisexual.". That was HIS specific clarification to his original sentence, and that clarification should be reflected in the article. Can I somehow parse his "degree" of bisexuality from his ambiguous statements? No. And neither can you. That's why the article should specify that he has expressed bisexual leanings or "an interest in bisexuality", rather than claim a definitive answer to his sexual predilections. As for the your OPINION that one would not believe bisexuality is a natural default state if they are heterosexual by practice or inclination, that IS original research. And not, in MY opinion, particularly accurate.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 23:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

"I mean, it's something that I've always been interested in" How do you know what he meant? He clearly states he is bisexual. He was asked pointedly about his sexuality. You are the one parsing his words. He states "I think I've always been bisexual". That is hardly an "ambiguous statement". "I think I have always been gay/I think I have always been straight" - Someone utters these words and it is somehow "ambiguous"? There is no ambiguity there. You can argue semantics all you like, the fact is, he clearly stated and believes himself to be bisexual. It's absolute ridiculousness to argue over something that is a direct quote from his very own mouth. The fact that you wish the article to reflect that he has "bisexual leanings" is just silly. He didn't say he had "leanings". He clearly states he believes himself to have always been bisexual. And it is a "definitie answer to his sexual predilections" when asked by a magazine about his sexuality and he then states "I think I've always been bisexual." I think I'll choose to believe Billie Joe Armstrong, rather than your interpreation of his extremely forthright statement. Regardless, he said he is bisexual. He obviously believes himself to be bisexual. ExRat (talk) 23:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I know what he meant? Because he clearly clarified his original sentence: "I mean, it's something that I've always been interested in.". And you're right, it is ridiculous to argue over something that is a direct quote from his very own mouth. So why are you doing it? His words. His clarification to what he "meant". Furthermore, he believes everyone to be bisexual as a default. So unless he is practicing bisexuality (and we know he's practicing heterosexuality), his "interests" are not really any thing other than (by his own viewpoint) the natural default of all people. The article should reflect the entirety of his viewpoint, rather than pigeonhole him into one slot while ignoring his obvious qualifiers.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

That isn't a clarifying statement to mean that he isn't bisexual. Somehow him saying that it is something he has always been interested in is tantamount to negating the first sentence where he states that believes he has always been bisexual? Hogwash. I have absolutely no idea how you arrive at the conclusion that him stating "I mean, it's something I've always been interested in" somehow negates the first sentence. If anything, it further supports it. Lastly, one doesn't have to be a "practising" anything to still believe themselves to be one. As I've stated - HE SAID HE WAS BISEXUAL. Therefore, he believes himself to be. Therefore, he IS. Stated it openly. Clearly. He didn't say "I think I've always been heterosexual", did he? And if he believes that bisexuality is the default sexuality of all people (didn't see where that quote came from anyway), then he clearly believes himself to be, correct? Anyway, this is my last post (for now anyway) on the subject.

Oh, and just for the hell of it - further discussion from Billie Joe Armstrong's interview with The Advocate:

"When asked whether this beautiful thing is something he’s ever actually acted on, the recently married (and about to become a father) Armstrong smiles. “I think mostly it’s been kept in my head,” he says. “I’ve never really had a relationship with another man. But it is something that comes up as a struggle in me." ExRat (talk) 00:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Did I ever claim it was a "clarifying statement to mean that he isn't bisexual"? No. Did I say the second sentence "negates" the first? No. It clarifies the first. Get your head out of the binary "he's bi he isn't bi" argument. And by the way, your "just for the hell of it" argument further supports what I've been saying. He is interested in the bisexual lifestyle. He clearly has not committed himself to it. He provided multiple qualifiers to his statement that he was bisexual, and the article, to be as factual as possible, should represent the entirety of his statement. Not just the first sentence.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 02:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"He is bi he isn't bi" IS the argument. You can blather on about semantics all you like ad nauseum and your interpretations of what he supposedly "really meant". He specifically stated he is bisexual. It doesn't matter whether or not he has or hasn't committed himself to physically ever practicing bisexuality. He clearly stated he considers himself bisexual, not just merely "interested" in bisexuality as a notion or a condition. End of story. Qualifiers? Qualifiers as you read into them. By your logic, someone saying "I think I've always been gay. I've always been interested in it. It's been a struggle within me" is somehow still an ambiguous statement that needs reinterpreted (Original Research). Seems patently clear to me what he said. I have absolutely no qualms about additional information added to the segment, but not information as how it is interpreted by you, or anyone else about what he supposedly "really meant to say". He said what he said - and that is that he believes himself to be bisexual. Your reinterpretion of what he allegedly "meant to say" is simply POV and a guess. I see no ambiguity whatsoever in what he said and he seems to have been rather blunt about it and stated it quite clearly. ExRat (talk) 03:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's funny that in your attempt to dismiss the qualifier, you drop the qualifying aspect (the phrase "I mean"), thus negating your analogy altogether. I also think it's funny that you're now trying to tell me what my argument is. This is not a matter of semantics or personal interpretations or Original Research. It's a matter of how the English language works. It's a matter of reflecting accurately what he said. He made a statement that, on it's own, certainly was quite clear. But he then chose to qualify that statement by explaining further what he "meant". As you evidenced, he then went on to explain that this is not something he has ever practiced, but instead "kept in his head". Call it a leaning, an interest, a curiosity, a fantasy...whatever. The article should apply some distinguishing terminology to indicate a separation between an untried "interest" in bisexuality and a practicing bisexual. If for no other reason (and no other reason is needed) than the subject in question chose to add that distinction himself. The notion that he considers himself unequivocally bisexual, rather than "interested" in bisexuality is your POV. He made the distinction quite clear in his own words. Furthermore, it's you who is adding judgment words like "merely" and "just". As if there is some level of quality to his preference. I don't think there is anything "mere" about having a directly expressed interest versus a self applied label based on a directly expressed interest. Neither is "better" than the other.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 04:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"Call it a leaning, an interest, a curiosity, a fantasy...whatever." Ummm....no. I think I'll call it what he himself was quoted calling it - "I think I've always been bisexual." ExRat (talk) 05:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh. You mean "an interest." Because that is the specific qualifier he added. It's not up to determine that his specific wording should be ignored in the article.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 05:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't ignored. The full quote is right there. Right after his overt claim of bisexuality. ExRat (talk) 06:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

And the part of the article that is not a quote should accurately reflect his full, qualified, statement.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 06:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

And now, once again, it does. "He is interested in the bisexual lifestyle. He clearly has not committed himself to it." He IDENTIFIES himself as a bisexual. Whether or not he is "committed" to practicing it is not the point. He used the label of bisexual to describe himself. He said nothing that disqualifies his assertion that he is bisexual. He then elaborates further on his clearly stated bisexuality by saying that it is something he has always been interested in. And that somehow makes him not bisexual, or simply "interested in bisexuality" and negating the very first sentence because he followed up with the words "I mean it's something I've always been interested in"? Brilliant logic there. Anyway, this is tiring and going in circles. The man stated he is bisexual. Obviously he has accepted it. Maybe you should as well. ExRat

Again you introduce judgment words. "Simply" interested in bisexuality? You're beginning to exposes something of your own prejudice. There is nothing "mere" or "simple" about an interest in bisexuality in comparison to a self applied label of bisexuality. Particularly when the self applied label does not correspond with any activity. Anyway, so he "identifies' himself as bisexual. But he then goes on at length about how this is something he does not practice. If I "identify" myself as Republican but vote Democrat, my self applied label is barely relevant. If I call myself a Christian but practice Hinduism, my self applied label of Christian holds little relevance. And again, I never said his first sentence was "negated". I said it was qualified. He used a clear qualifier ("I mean") to bridge the two sentences. Therefore the content of the first sentence is altered by the content of the second. I know... I know... It's complicated and you want to make this an issue of "acceptance" rather than deal with the realities of language. But your insinuations of "acceptance" and your value judgments on sexual preference hold no relevance. I'm changing the article once more.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 18:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

That is the longest string of POV I have seen in quite a while. By the way, you just broke the 3RR Cheers. ExRat (talk) 19:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect on both counts. Please take the time to comprehend what you are speaking of.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 19:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

You're correct. I apologize. You haven't broken 3RR. Since the two of us obvioulsy are in disagreement, I have asked for neutral Wikipedia:Third opinion in the Active disagreements section. If that fails, then maybe we could consider deleting the "intro" section to his quote altogether. ExRat (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

That's more than fair. I've reverted the article to your version pending 3rd party neutral viewing.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Since you asked for a third opinion at WP:3O. I looked over your discussion here, and, without looking at the source, would you agree on just saying on the article: "(he) has stated that he has always been interested in bisexuality" followed by an inline reference to the source? Would that be an adequate compromise for both of you?

I once read on wikipedia that a version is neutral when none of the parties involved is totally happy with the result, maybe this version would be the case. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I suppose I got caught up in a slightly petty edit war over semantics and interpretations. After giving it more thought, I am more than willing to revert to Theplanetsaturn's revision. His revision did leave the quote in entirety - Armstrong opening with the statement "I think I have always been bisexual". Still not 100% in agreement with the interpretation, but I'm willing to go with "he has expressed an interest in bisexuality" followed by the sourced quote. Have reverted to previous version. All done here? :)ExRat (talk) 22:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Happy to have helped you :) I suppose that Theplanet won't have any problem with reverting to his version. You can probably remove the 3O petition. --Enric Naval (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. Removed the 3O request. ExRat (talk) 22:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that is a fair compromise by any means. The original source is explicit, and the wording this way supposes that Wikipedia does not acknowledge Billie's own admission of bisexuality but would rather suggest a mere "interest" in the topic. The statement needs to be unambiguous and frank, no personal interpretation of Billie's "real meaning" is substantial or reliable enough to command this sort of "compromise".~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

An alternative would be to use wording of ExRat's that I particularly liked: "Billie Joe identifies himself as bisexual". Regardless, as I have stated several times, this is not personal interpretation. Billie Joe used the qualifier ("I mean") explaining his initial statement. He chose to qualify the statement himself and that should be reflected properly. Also, please don't use words like "mere". There is nothing better or worse, greater or lesser, in an stated interest in bisexuality versus a self applied label. Particularly when compounded with the qualifier that he does not practice said lifestyle.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 21:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

"Identifies as" would be preferable. Again, whether he "practices" is irrelevant - are heterosexual virgins not heterosexual? I also dislike the use of the word lifestyle there...~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Then I think we should go with "identifies as" if all agree that it is a more acceptable compromise. As for the rest, "practices" (or a lack of) in this instant is not being used to support or deny his interests or any aspect of what is or is not included in the article. It's only being used to illustrate that, in my mind, there is nothing lesser or greater or "mere" in one that states an interest in bisexuality versus one who "is bisexual". As for lifestyle, again, not intended for inclusion and there is nothing inherently offensive with the word on it's own that I'm aware of. Certainly not meant to offend. I'd call heterosexuality a lifestyle as well.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 23:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

How about we just directly say his quote on his personal sexuality since some people have a problem directly saying hes bi for some reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey77 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Marriage problems

Why is there no mention of him and Adie having marriage problems during the Warning:/American Idiot era? And during what era did he have weight problems?--Kingforaday1620 (talk) 21:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Italian wiki

I was reading the [Italian Wikipedia] and it said that "He was often expelled because he had several disputes with teachers..... the last day of school the school did not presented to withdraw the diploma." And I was wondering if any of that was true.--Nimrod22 (talk) 00:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Haunted

On google video, look up Billie joe armstrong, haunted. (I'd give you the URL, but I dont have an address bar on this CPU, dont ask) You see a video of Billie on a show called haunted. look it up.--Greenday21 (talk) 03:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

Right here, man. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=57462600 I really enjoyed it and that is definitely Armstrong. ~Jesus of Suburbia City-of-the-Damned (talk) 23:39, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Registered Libertarian?

Just thought I'd point this out.

Why does it say Billie Joe is a Libertarian? As far as I can see there is no proof of this. Where is the source of this information? He's never said he's a Libertarian or even expressed an interest in it - he's done absolutely nothing whatsoever to indicate that he is one. However, many of his expressed views and actions would indicate that he isn't one.

I'm not sure how this place works, but he isn't a Libertarian, so I think this false and misleading information should be removed from the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleazing (talk • contribs) 18:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I recently noticed that no one has offered proof of Armstrong being a registered Libertarian (member of libertarian party). Going through the talk page's archive I noticed that previously the issue of weather Armstrong is a Libertarian or not had come up and no one had offered even unverifiable evidence to support the claim. In light of the fact that no one has confirmed the claim that he is a libertarian I am removing the Category:American libertarians. Since there is a separate category for members of the libertarian party it is possible that the category is in response to self identification Armstrong may have stated in an interview or something but that only speculation. If anyone objects and can provide verification to the libertarian claim go ahead and restore the info. I'm not saying he is not a libertarian and I'm not saying he is one (ideological, politically or otherwise). Highground79 (talk) 18:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Adelleda

Does anyone know anything about Billie Joe and Fat Mike producing a band called Adelleda. I noticed it on here, did some research and found nothing. I would really like to know if anyone has any more info about this. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoztnegras (talk • contribs) 07:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Producer

I added a bunch of stuff he produced so DONT DELETE IT! I know there's a few more.. If you know of any that I missed please add Eoztnegras (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Billie's wife pregnant - untrue. And Billie Joe "pianist for Green Day" also untrue

Billie Joe's wife is not pregnant. It says she is on here for some reason, it is most certainly not true.

Yeah, this info has no source and is untrue. I've edited it out. Scatteredbomb (talk) 04:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Also Billie Joe is not the pianist for Green Day. He has never played piano on any studio recordings, or live. All he's done is allegedly write a few songs on piano - that doesn't make him the band's pianist. Jason Freese and Mike Pelino play piano for Green Day, not Billie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleazing (talk • contribs) 18:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Billie Joe IS IN FACT THE PIANIST FOR GREEN DAY!!!!!!!! HE SAID SO HIMSELF IN AN INTERVIEW THAT I WATCHED! HE SAID HE LEARNED TO PLAY PIANO SPECIFICALLY for Green Day's new album! What idiodic site said he didn't?! I want 2 know!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.206.51.64 (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

If you look at the date I made the comment about Billie's piano-playing, you'll see it was long before the new album was out. At that time, although he was capable of playing a little piano he had indeed never played it on any recorded songs, or live, therefore he wasn't "Green Day's pianist". But yeah you're right Billie did learn piano and play it on the new album, although Jason Freese also played some on there. And Jason Freese plays piano for them live.

So yes, now Billie could accurately be called Green Day's pianist just as he could be called Green Day's mandolin-player, but I don't really think it's one of his main talents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleazing (talk • contribs) 21:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Irrelevant facts in the infobox

"Shoe Size = 10", "Height = 5'7". Why in the hell are those "fun facts" in the infobox? Even though they aren't viewable when you're not in the edit window, I still would like to know why they're there in the first place. He's not a model, so who cares about his height and shoe size? --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 07:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

the article doesn't have a pic!

WHY???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.229.2 (talk) 08:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this article is one of many that's a target for sock puppets of an indefinitely blocked former editor, who can't seem to resist messing around with articles, despite their indefinite block. They're normally interested in Scottish artists, but Billie Joe Armstrong is also a favourite target.

A sock puppet replaced the previous (free) image with an un-free image, which was subsequently deleted at commons. The image had remained in place for a while, and I guess editors seeing this article after the image was deleted were unaware that there had previously been a perfectly good (better, in my opinion) image here. I've now gone through the article's history to locate the original - free - image, and I've reinserted it.

Apologies for this - I guess the only thing we can do is to check new images as they're added, and revert immediately if they're unfree (keeping an eye on the editors who add them would also be useful - some editors simply won't be aware of policy, but others may well be sock puppets).

Cheers, and thanks for spotting this. This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 10:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Billie Joe's son isn't named after Joey Ramone

It currently says Billie Joe's son is named after Joey Ramone, this isn't true. It's been assumed many times just because Billie's son's known as Joey and Tre Cool's daughter's called Ramona, and Green Day are Ramones fans.

In fact both bandmembers have said they did not name them after The Ramones, it's just a coincidence, adding that it would be a lame thing to do. The fact that Billie's son's real name is 'Joseph' and not the shortened version 'Joey' backs this up I think.

There's no source cited here to say he's named after him anyway. No such source exists as it's just an assumption. Hope to be helpful :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleazing (talk • contribs) 21:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, Billie Joe's son still isn't named after Joey Ramone, but it still says he is on this page. Also Billie and Mike met at age 10 not 12, they've both said so in numerous interviews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.248.244 (talk) 03:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hillcrest Elementary School in Rodeo, not Oakland

Hillcrest Elementary School is part of the John Swett unified school district. I tried to edit the article but it's protected for vandalism. Please make this correction if you can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrcbriones (talk • contribs) 03:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Harmonica?

What song(s) on Ameican Idiot does Billie or anyone play the harmonica? I've heard the whole album a millon times and i never heard a harmonica on any song. --JohnnyDrama233 (talk) 22:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Billie joe plays the harmonica in bullet in a bible singing minority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.181.164 (talk) 12:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

how high is bJ ?? he seems small.. but i've no idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.188.148.73 (talk) 17:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

HE'S NOT BISEXUAL. That's false information. He's hetero-sexual and you know it.--98.233.244.68 (talk) 15:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you can find a source that trumps Armstrong's own assertion, feel free to put a link to it here. —C.Fred (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It's been confirmed in an interview. He himself said it. And, well, he's married anyway, what's there to get worked up about? AlexanderAwful (talk) 21:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

This really got off topic. Listen to "Hold On" off of "Warning". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.18.122 (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Italian-American?

I heard he's italian descent, and he looks like mediterranean... any info about that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.64.133.183 (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Alias

I added some of his alias to the infobox. Billy Joe Armstrong is used on 39/Smooth, Wilhelm Fink is used for some writing credits on Pinhead Gunpowder albums and he uses the name Fink on Money Money 2020 by The Network. Clark.d.kennedy (talk) 21:56, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Bass?

Can Billie Joe really play the bass guitar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.64.9 (talk) 19:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Andy Armstrong

hey wiki On this page it is stated that Billie Joe's father, Andy Armstrong passed away on September 10 1982. Yet in a Green Day biography, 'Nobody Likes You' by Mark Spitz, its is written that Andy Armstrong died on September 1 1982. I would be happy for someone to please correct this, as i cant work out how to edit this page =) Thanks a lot Sugarcube120 3/1/10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sugarcube120 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Amplification and Effects

Armstrong has always been using Marshall Amps. He has used the JCM 800 in previous years but is currently using modified Marshall 1959slp's. He uses two live, one is a FC Lead mod and the other is a crunch mod(Armstrong and the road crew refer to it as a 'Dookie Mod'), Both by Martin Gollub of L.A Sound Design. Armstrong also uses a CAE (Custom Audio Electronics) 3+ SE preamp, he uses this for his clean sound and his mid sound. The 3+ SE is powered by the power amp in his Marshall Amp. He refers to the Marshall's as his 'big' channel. These amps run into two standard Marshall 1960B cabinets.

Armstrong has one effect in the whole rig, a Boss BD-2 Blues Driver.

Armstrong uses (in his rack):

A Furman PL-PRO DMC power conditioner Some sort of source selector for guitar changes A RJM RG-16 Audio Switcher A RJM Mastermind foot controller (his guitar tech does all the switching) 5x Shure UHF-R Wireless Systems —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.215.108 (talk) 22:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

INSTRUMENTS

He doesn't play bass. I don't know where that comes from, but here's the proof: http://www.greendayauthority.com/TheBand/billiejoe.php

In the "instruments" section, it doesn't say he plays bass.

Genre(s)

Who added the extra genres, hard rock and heavy metal. I don't see any refernce for it. And what music would whoever posted that be listening to and think was hard rock, heavy metal??? (121.91.184.161 (talk) 12:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC))

Mug Shot

Who got rid of his mug shot? C'mon..it was a nice picture XD 68.193.242.54 (talk)

New Picture

Add this picture from the Link. It is much newer than the other one. http://www.modernguitars.com/imagefiles/gibson/billyjoe.gif —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.148.221 (talk) 21:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Hey, i like the other picture of billie better, so i'm gonna change it back to that, if somebody doesn't like it they can change it back. --Chickenguy12 (talk) 23:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Requesting to replace photo

Hello, I noticed that editing on the page for Billie Joe was disabled. I was wanting to replace the current photo on this page with a more recent photo of Billie Joe. Maybe one from the 2010 21st century breakdown world tour. If anyone could allow me to do this, I would appreciate it. If you won't allow me to replace the main photo, I'd at least like to add a newer photo in another section of the page.

Please email me @ [redacted] with permission to do this.

Thanks!

James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesmac96 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

What photo do you want to replace it with? Is it already on Commons? —C.Fred (talk) 00:52, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Photobucket has images. http://media.photobucket.com/image/billie%20joe%20armstrong%202010/xXbilliejoeHot98Xx/world%20tour%202010/Ma5-2.png?o=30

http://photobucket.com/images/billie%20joe%20armstrong%202010/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph507357 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Those images cannot readily be used. There is no information on their license status; without knowing that they're free, we can't use them. —C.Fred (talk) 18:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

There are several areas on the pages saying they're able to be shared. Does this count as free? Joseph507357 (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes I did upload a photo to commons. It's from flickr and as far as I know it can be used. It's right here in this link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Billie_joe.jpg

If you can't view the photo right when you click the link, I clicked "full resolution" and the photo appeared. If you think a better photo could be used, I'll come up with another one that is authorized to be used here at Wikipedia.

Thanks again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.215.8 (talk) 01:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Please respond on my talk

Hello, can a moderator or someone in charge of content posted on wikipedia respond to me on my talk page with authorization to replace the photo on this page? I had a request to replace the photo. A photo of Billie Joe Armstrong is uploaded to commons. As far as I know, the photo can be used here. The original source of the photo is Flickr.

Photo is here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Billie_joe.jpg

If anyone thinks a better photo can be used, please let me know and I will come up with another photo that is authorized to be used on Wikipedia.

I appreciate your time.

Sincerely,

James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesmac96 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 190.187.21.92, 15 June 2011

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in occupations you should add being a parent, it is a part of him too (having and taking care of his kids)

190.187.21.92 (talk) 04:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done. This is true, but he probably has several other occupations that are too numerous to list. On Wikipedia we only care about what he is notable for. –CWenger (^ • @) 04:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Punk Rock?

Seriously, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim. There is no about him that has any essence of Punk attitude, demeanor or lifestyle. I am merely asking for you to show respect to the punk community and erase the atrocity of the invalid claim that he is (not) Punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.109.160.19 (talk) 14:47, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not that ridiculous, there are many reliable sources that support this label. Claiming that he is "not punk" is just your opinion, you cannot add your opinion to Wikipedia. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 03:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but Billie Joe isn't a true punk.--72.130.19.46 (talk) 04:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)