Talk:Beonna of East Anglia

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To continue improving I would suggest an infobox, graphics of somesort, and a switch to footnotes to allow for verifying the info. With all that this could be nominated at WP:GAC. Aboutmovies 06:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Please add some citations of sources using in line references.Wilfridselsey (talk) 11:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 16:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like an interesting topic. Review to follow. J Milburn (talk) 16:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"~~this is due to the destruction of the kingdom's monasteries and the disappearance of both of the East Anglian sees, which was caused by Viking raids and later settlement.[3]" Which were, surely?~~ Sorted. Hel-hama (talk) 20:43, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~The East Anglian pedigree in the Anglian collection, which was probably compiled for Ælfwald, lists his descendants." Could this be rephrased?~~ Rephrased sentences and included image. Hel-hama (talk) 21:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~I don't really like the use of bullet points splitting a full sentence. One or the other, perhaps? Is there anything in the MoS about this?~~ Bullet points removed. Hel-hama (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Historia regum or Historia Regum? The article on the book uses the latter. Fixed. Hel-hama (talk) 22:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~'Florence of Worcester'," Why the inverted commas?~~ Name corrected. Hel-hama (talk) 22:17, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~The kingdom might never have shared between Alberht and Beonna" Very odd sentence~~ Fixed. Hel-hama (talk) 22:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~No known member of the Wuffingas dynasty had a name commencing with B, but several Mercian rulers, including Beornred, used the letter." Do you have a reference for this?~~ Ref sorted. Hel-hama (talk) 20:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as you've already put forward several different theories, I am not seeing the benefit of "An alternative sequence of events" as a title. Perhaps a section called something like "Beornred of Mercia" could encompass the theories linking the two? I agree - fixed. Hel-hama (talk) 20:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~exile in 575;" I'm assuming you've got the date wrong here?~~ Sorted. Hel-hama (talk) 20:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~named moneyers whose names are known" Rendundancy?~~ Fixed. Hel-hama (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" but the chronology of Beonna's coins cannot be established by comparing them with the Northumbrian issues, in part because of the unliklihood of Eadberht producing coins so late on in his rule.[27]" It's not clear to me what this means Section clarified - tell me it's beeter now... Hel-hama (talk) 20:36, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~is derived from Efe" If you're quoting words as words, it should be in italics; how about "is derived from from the name Efe"?~~ Done. Hel-hama (talk) 20:38, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~arranged round the" I may be wrong, but shouldn't that be "around"?~~ Agreed. Hel-hama (talk) 20:42, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{~~tl|Contains Runic text}}?~~ Done. ~~Also, perhaps link to our article on the rune?~~

~~Second part - Runic alphabet is linked in the template, did you mean more than this? Hel-hama (talk) 06:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)~~ Done. Hel-hama (talk) 19:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant it may be worth linking to our article on Wynn, the specific rune you mention. J Milburn (talk) 14:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~"an 'interlace' motif" Again- if you're quoting, use "-"?~~ Sorted - link added instead. Hel-hama (talk) 06:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~so-called Interlace coins" Why capitalised?~~ Fixed. Hel-hama (talk) 06:43, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~the Maastricht that existed during this period" What does this mean?~~ Sentence corrected. Hel-hama (talk) 06:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~at 'Parker Library on the Web'.", "at 'Early Manuscripts at Oxford University'."~~ Apostrophes removed. Hel-hama (talk) 06:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~Boernred succeded to" Typo?~~ Fixed. Hel-hama (talk) 06:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A strong article. Technical in places, but that's obviously unavoidable for a topic like this. I'll hopefully have a delve into some sources at some point too. J Milburn (talk) 17:07, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of follow-up points-

"A third source is a regnal list in the Chronicon ex chronicis, which placed Beonna after Ælfwald and before Æthelred, states that "Regnante autem Merciorum rege Offa, Beonna regnavit in East-Anglia, et post illum Æthelredus" ('During the reign of Offa, king of the Mercians, Beonna reigned in East-Anglia, and after him Æthelred ...')." This doesn't make sense. Sorted out. Hel-hama (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"~~The coins made after Werferth are by Efe" How about something like "Produced later than Werferth's coins are those by Efe"?~~ Done. Hel-hama (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Once these are fixed, I'll be happy to promote. J Milburn (talk) 20:45, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And I've promoted the article- great work! J Milburn (talk) 18:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge the articles. Hel-hama (talk) 07:50, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that Hun of East Anglia be merged into Beonna of East Anglia. I think that the content in the Hun article can easily be explained in the context of Beonna, and the Beonna of East Anglia article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Hun of East Anglia will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Hel-hama (talk) 10:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The discussion about whether Hun actually existed, and theories to explain the phrase cujus regnum Hunbeanna et Albertus inter se diviserunt, the only reference that exists for Hun, would easily fit within the Beonna article. Conveniently, the Hun of East Anglia sources are already used in the Beonna article. Hel-hama (talk) 10:33, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.