Talk:Bengali Kayastha/Archive 2
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Varna mention is incorrect
Varna mention is incorrect. If decision of Patna High Court on Kayasthas 1926 clearly mentions all Kayastha as Kshatriya, this should be reflected in the page. Please note Bengali Kayasthas along with all Kayasthas are concluded as Kshatriya in the above mentioned High Court decision of 1926. Please refer to line 24 of the decision in the link below -
https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1242249/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.122.61.75 (talk) 13:55, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Migration
What? Kayasthas migrated to bengal in ancient time? I never read that before, this is a pure lie. I mean their kanauj migration is fake according to some historians forget about ancient migration. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 05:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE, are you a reliable author/historian? Wikipedia doesn't bother about your opinion; we only consider reliable & verifiable sources; read WP:RS & WP:V! Also, we are against any form of original research like your statement above; read WP:OR. Ekdalian (talk) 06:50, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- How many reliable author or historians have claimed that?? you joined wiki 10 years ago but dont know simple wiki rules? or maybe you are ignoring it in some specific caste pages? for example you did not reply me on Kayastha talk when I pointed out some raj era sources. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- You have clearly mentioned on the Kayastha talk page that you don't want to discuss with me! Strange? Are you okay? Someone else will reply. Ekdalian (talk) 07:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- So why you replied me here? anyway I dont have any problem to discuss anything with you. I want some admin's help, who is aware of wiki rules. I think you dont know all wiki rules despite being 10 years on wiki. Migration of kayastha in ancient Bengal is a dispute here. I want to discuss that. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ekdalian have you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_sources ? NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:49, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE, since I don't know the rules of Wikipedia, as you have mentioned above, please discuss with admins; by the way, you need to be smart enough to find out the right person or the right forum! I can only say that there are no exceptional claims (what you think as exceptional may not actually be exceptional) in this version; moreover, this is a long term consensus version which has been reviewed by many experienced editors (not ignorant like me); there's no point discussing with me; there are other editors like LukeEmily, who have significant contribution in this article. Please discuss with the right person! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 10:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- No exceptionals claims? I mean could you please give another source that mentioned Kayasthas came in Bengal at ancient era except Banu? NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 12:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Read the article properly; Referring to Naishadha Charita and Usanas-samhita smriti, Rabindra Nath Chakraborty mentions that according to these two medieval texts, "the Kayasthas were descended from Nagara Brahmin who had a large settlement in Bengal in the eighth century AD".
- Do you think these Aryan Brahmins were natives of Bengal? How did they arrive in Bengal without migration? Ekdalian (talk) 13:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Don't merge informations, Banu is talking abount 4th century AD not 8th century AD. Rabndranath Chakraborty proposed another different origin theory of kayasthas associated them with nagara Brahmins, also I have sources which rejected this origin theory of kayasthas, will come to that later. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- I can see there was a dispute regarding this content and the source. Please check the thread "Banu" opened by TrangaBellam.CharlesWain (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Rightly pointed out by Trangabellam. Aryan migration never happened in Bengal, further Alpine aryan term it self is a fringe. so how Brahmins and Kayasthas became the descendants of Alpine Aryans? @Abecedare please give your opinion. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 17:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Have you read that the matter has been resolved since the same was approved by possibly one of our most experienced editors on caste, Sitush! If you try to bludgeon the process, and ignore existing consensus, you may be sanctioned as per WP:GSCASTE; would request you to be careful as far as such contentious topics are concerned! Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 17:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Well dont see Sitush making any comment at Banu section. As I pointed out before, the migration of kayatshas was not mentioned by anyone except Banu. Aryan Brahmins and Kayasthas never came in Bengal. If you think they came then provide another source. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 18:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- In addition, Risley first linked the Bengali peoples with the Dravidian origin. To counter this Historian Ramprasad Chnada assosiated them with Aryans. Many Bengali castes like Brahmins and Kayasthas tried to show them assosiated with North Indian origin through out their Kulajis, but historians dont agree with these claims. So Banu making Kayasthas immigrant aryans definetly falls under fringe concept. I hope in wikipedia we dont promote fringe theories, WP:EXCEPTIONAL says the same. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Well dont see Sitush making any comment at Banu section. As I pointed out before, the migration of kayatshas was not mentioned by anyone except Banu. Aryan Brahmins and Kayasthas never came in Bengal. If you think they came then provide another source. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 18:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Have you read that the matter has been resolved since the same was approved by possibly one of our most experienced editors on caste, Sitush! If you try to bludgeon the process, and ignore existing consensus, you may be sanctioned as per WP:GSCASTE; would request you to be careful as far as such contentious topics are concerned! Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 17:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Rightly pointed out by Trangabellam. Aryan migration never happened in Bengal, further Alpine aryan term it self is a fringe. so how Brahmins and Kayasthas became the descendants of Alpine Aryans? @Abecedare please give your opinion. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 17:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- I can see there was a dispute regarding this content and the source. Please check the thread "Banu" opened by TrangaBellam.CharlesWain (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Don't merge informations, Banu is talking abount 4th century AD not 8th century AD. Rabndranath Chakraborty proposed another different origin theory of kayasthas associated them with nagara Brahmins, also I have sources which rejected this origin theory of kayasthas, will come to that later. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- No exceptionals claims? I mean could you please give another source that mentioned Kayasthas came in Bengal at ancient era except Banu? NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 12:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE, since I don't know the rules of Wikipedia, as you have mentioned above, please discuss with admins; by the way, you need to be smart enough to find out the right person or the right forum! I can only say that there are no exceptional claims (what you think as exceptional may not actually be exceptional) in this version; moreover, this is a long term consensus version which has been reviewed by many experienced editors (not ignorant like me); there's no point discussing with me; there are other editors like LukeEmily, who have significant contribution in this article. Please discuss with the right person! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 10:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ekdalian have you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_sources ? NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:49, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- So why you replied me here? anyway I dont have any problem to discuss anything with you. I want some admin's help, who is aware of wiki rules. I think you dont know all wiki rules despite being 10 years on wiki. Migration of kayastha in ancient Bengal is a dispute here. I want to discuss that. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- You have clearly mentioned on the Kayastha talk page that you don't want to discuss with me! Strange? Are you okay? Someone else will reply. Ekdalian (talk) 07:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- How many reliable author or historians have claimed that?? you joined wiki 10 years ago but dont know simple wiki rules? or maybe you are ignoring it in some specific caste pages? for example you did not reply me on Kayastha talk when I pointed out some raj era sources. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)