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Request for comment re: categories of this film

The consensus is that the article should not have both child categories and parent categories listed. Only child categories should be listed unless the parent category is tagged as being non-diffusing. Care also should be taken to remove erroneous categories as Betty Logan noted.

Cunard (talk) 23:31, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should this article have both Child Categories and Parent Categories listed? (See discussion at Talk:Beauty and the Beast (2017 film)#Excessive removal of several categories.) Shearonink (talk) 01:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Survey

The categorization seems to be all over the place at this article. I broadly support the proposal but in some cases the child categories simply don't apply IMO, so let's take care we don't mandate this article into erroneous categories. Betty Logan (talk) 03:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Betty Logan for your post, makes sense to me, I do confess that Categories are not an area I have any great WP-expertise in. I just know that the ongoing constant addition of the various categories at this article has been disheartening to me as an editor to witness. Shearonink (talk) 03:36, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Threaded discussion

This RFC focused on the following Categories (which have been removed and restored multiple times in December 2017).

Shearonink (talk) 01:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction Betty Logan & Geraldo Perez, I've struck that line through. Shearonink (talk) 01:48, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Well that was productive. The unanimous conclusion here is that we should not include parent categories when diffusing child categories are in place. (Thanks for the patient explanation on non-diffusing cats, Betty.) Saiph121, of course, has restored the categories against the consensus. I assume I'll need to take this to AN/I again. I'll write it up tonight unless someone else feels moved to handle it before then. - SummerPhDv2.0 18:53, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah yes... the editor who has been engaged in their own ongoing long-simmering WP:IDHT disruptive edit war about Parent/Child Categories for this article, who has stated repeatedly in their edit summaries "See Talk" hasn't contributed to the RFC or to this discussion despite being directly notified of it on their talkpage. Shearonink (talk) 19:50, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Are there any valid objections to my going ahead now and adjusting the Categories according to our discussion here and according to my understanding of Betty Logan's excellent explanation above? Do I have to wait for the RfC to be closed? Shearonink (talk) 20:40, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
If Saiph121 edits again without responding here, go ahead. --NeilN talk to me 20:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok, then I will - since he already has. Earlier today he again restored deleted categories.... Shearonink (talk) 21:42, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment Whatever in these categories that you called as "parent categories" or "child categories", such removal of these highly important categories is an detrimental to the film and its qualities. Futhermore, it should be known that other films are also using that same kind of description of these categories much to the disadvantage on this film. Saiph121 (talk) 01:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
This is now being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Saiph121, take 3. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
There is going to be SNOW support for removing the genuine parent categories and now Saiph121 is out of the loop for a week this RFC may seem a tad redundnant, but it would be great if we could get further input on the possibly inapplicable child catgeories I have highlighted above in my survey comment. Betty Logan (talk) 02:39, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused on two of them, the rest make perfect sense and have my support.
The first one I don't quite grok is "Parent Category:Films based on adaptations and Child Category:Films based on Beauty and the Beast (Both of these should be retained because I dispute that they are parent and child categories; being based on Beauty and the Beast alone doesn't necessarily imply the film is based on an adaptation i.e. the 1991 film *is* an adaptation, not *based* on an adaptation)". As I read this, it is saying that the 1740 work, Beauty and the Beast, is an adaptation. If so, it's a rather sloppy understanding of "adaptation", IMO. If that is the intention, I agree the second category should not be in the parent category (which we should correct). Anyone have a different understanding here?
The second one I'm not sure I'm getting is "Parent Category:Musical film remakes and Child Category:Films based on musicals based on films (How does the child category apply in this case? According to the infobox this film is based on the 1991 film and the original story, so which musical is it based on??)" My read of this refers to an earlier attempt at this film based on the 1994 musical, briefly noted under "Production". If that's the case, I'm fairly certain it does not beong here, as that attempt was apparently completely tossed. If there is some other read intended here, I don't see it. Anyone have anything here? If not, I'm completely with Betty on this one. - SummerPhDv2.0 05:01, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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