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Requested move 22 November 2021

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. After extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus for the proposed move at this time. With respect to the disambiguation question, since the place name is already linked in the lede of the base page name article, there does not appear to be anything that would be changed by such a reclassification, except that the source currently on the page would need to be removed, as these are not permitted on disambiguation pages. I am not seeing a clear case for removal of the source in this discussion. BD2412 T 06:42, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barsby, Leicestershire → Barsby
Barsby → Barsby (surname)

– The surname is unlikely to be primary over the village it was named after and should be moved to Barsby (surname). The village Barsby, Leicestershire can be moved back or a DAB page can be created. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Crouch, Swale: But is the village primary over the surname? The current situation with a disambig page at the plain name, looks satisfactory to me. 09:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is the surname primary over the village? I've added content for the origin of the name so its now a proper surname article rather than just a DAB anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This discussion should be closed and the page moved back to Barsby as a point of procedure. What has been done, moving the page first without discussion then starting a discussion about moving it back, seems the wrong way to go about things. By WP:BRD the move should have been reverted first, and then a discussion started if anyone felt the move was needed. I don't think it was needed, the village is the primary topic, and making this move has left other pages pointing to the wrong subject. --94.196.55.226 (talk) 21:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For the record I'm still fine with having a DAB instead but as you say the undiscussed move should be reverted (unless there's a consensus against) but it doesn't matter if its at the "wrong" location for a week or so. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added move request for surname page. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose 1st, Support 2nd. No clear primary topic. Small village vs rare surname. Create a dabpage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No clear primary topic. But why not just expand the surname page to become a full-blown DAB? There aren't that many entries. Andrewa (talk) 09:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because a set index is an article and it contains content. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying that we need a set index at Barsby rather than a DAB? Why? Andrewa (talk) 17:58, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm suggesting we have the DAB at Barsby and the SI at Barsby (surname). Alternatively we could have the village or surname at the base name and use a hatnote to link to the other. Readers could be looking for the village, the surname in general or a specific person with the surname. Unless any of the people with the last name is well known by it alone per WP:NAMELIST they don't need to be on the DAB as well since readers are unlikely to expect to fine a person with just 1 click. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:15, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But why do we need two pages? The best solution is to have a navigation page that links to the people by that surname and to the village as well. It is only five entries total. What policy or guideline says we can't do that? And if it does, we'd better IAR for now and then try to change the rule, citing this RM as a reason. Andrewa (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Whatever the Barsby technically is (it barely has any content, apart from the connection of the surname with the village), it quacks like a disambiguation page, so the readers can easily pick up the target of their choice. No such user (talk) 12:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.