Talk:Louise, Baroness Lehzen/GA1

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Reviewer: Jarry1250 (talk · contribs) 22:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Before I perform a full review, there are some image licensing queries to clear up:

File:Baroness_Louise_Lehzen.jpg needs source information. Since the original uploader does not tell us from where he got the image, it should be re-sourced from one of the many books that has used the image, or another reputable site that includes details of the provenance of the image.

Very odd, but I can't seem to find a suitable source for the image anywhere online. I deleted it from the article until something better comes along. Ruby 2010/2013 04:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Baroness Louise Lehzen.jpg‎: I have put my queries on this one to the uploader at Commons, awaiting a response.
File:Baroness Lehzen, 1842.jpg is definitely replaceable with a free image, so please go ahead and find one you like :)

Need a little clarification on this one. Should I upload a new copy of the image from a different source, or change the licensing on the current one? B/c I think the Royal Collection is a fantastic source. But I'm not quite the expert on Wiki image policy I wish I was! :) Ruby 2010/2013 04:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Under the NFCC, we don't allow any non-free images where there are free alternatives. Note that this image is only non-free because of the frame; most photographs of paintings of Lehzen on the internet (without a frame) would be regarded as free. You just need to upload one. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added File:Baroness Lehzen, 1842 by Koepke.jpg (couldn't find any suitable ones in color). How does it look? Ruby 2010/2013 23:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note from the prose (virtually all of a very strong standard IMHO):

"George IV to award them both titles": Conroy's article does not seem to mention him receiving a title in 1827, or have I missed something?

The source is referring to Conroy's knighthood (he was made a knight commander of the Hanoverian Order). I figured this was too much detail to put in an article about Lehzen. Ruby 2010/2013 04:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, right, I was getting confused because Conroy's article doesn't mention that at all except in the categories; if you have a source, it might be a nice idea to fix that. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ruby 2010/2013 23:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding "the famous scene": do the references support the idea that this actually happened, or may it be apocryphal? This should be noted in the text, I feel.

The scene is an account of Lehzen, which I now made clear in the article. The story has passed into English folk legend, which I also added into the article. Thanks for the notice. Ruby 2010/2013 04:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Great. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"who taught her charge to become a strong, informed woman." This feels a little POV to me, do you have any thoughts on an alternative wording?

I changed taught to wanted in keeping with the source. Thanks, Ruby 2010/2013 04:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, sounds good. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"who responded more and more infrequently to her mentor at Lehzen's request" (my wording, tweaked slightly from original) Lehzen = mentor? Why would Lehzen request infrequent replies? Or did she just request less frequent correspondence in general?

Changed mentor to former governess. And Rappaport writes that, "Victoria dutifully wrote to Lehzen every week; with time it became once a month (at Lehzen's request)". It is not made clear why Lehzen would request this (perhaps she understood the queen had more important things to do with her time). Ruby 2010/2013 04:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have adjusted the wording further to make sure something that isn't warranted isn't accidentally applied. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a number of copyedits, mostly for POV, which you should probably look over to make sure I haven't changed the sense.

Otherwise, looking good :) - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 22:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the review! I have replied to your comments, let me know if have noticed anything else that needs fixing. Best, Ruby 2010/2013 04:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good, we just need that non-free image swapped for a free alternative before the article can be passed. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since title isn't a criterion, I am happy to pass the article :) Regards, - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 16:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Ought not the title of the article to be corrected? "Baroness Lehzen" or "Louise Lehzen" is correct; "Baroness Louise Lehzen" is a form unknown to Burke, Debrett, the London Gazette and the Court Circular (see, e.g., The Times, 9 November 1829, p. 2). I don't think you can plausibly have a Good Article with an inaccurate title. Tim riley (talk) 17:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had reviewed this issue, but looking at it again, there doesn't seem a compelling reason to deviate from whatever teh accepted convention on baronesses is. Unfortunately I don't have the time to dig that out at present. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 18:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would support a move to Louise Lehzen or Louise Lehzen, Baroness Lehzen. I'm not too picky on either. I doubt consensus will be difficult to achieve for the former (the article's last title before the move). I'm hopeful this will not get in the way of the GA nom, but I understand if the move should be addressed first. I'll weigh in on the talkpage discussion again. Thanks, Ruby 2010/2013 21:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know if two-penn'orth from me would be of any use if you raise this point on the article talk page, or indeed anywhere else. Tim riley (talk) 15:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thanks. Ruby 2010/2013 00:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jarry! You've been a very helpful reviewer, and really aided in improving the article. Warm regards, Ruby 2010/2013 17:05, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]