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Bairagi people

Among the many problems introduced by Gupta Ynr, it seems that a page move or usurpation at Bairagi people has caused its talk page to link here rather than to its own space. At least, that is how it appears on the mobile app. I have just gutted the mess at that article but can anyone fix the talk page issue? - Sitush (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please, Gupta Ynr and V.S.bhardwaj, both of you revert all of your edits made to this article in the last 24 hours, check your own talk pages, and for now confine yourselves to editing article talk pages with suggestions for improvements rather than editing actual articles. You are both very close to being blocked for disruptive editing. - Sitush (talk) 09:25, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are four varnas in Hindu society - Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. Every caste of Hindu society belongs to one of these varnas. And Bairagi caste belongs to Brahmin varna. V.S.bhardwaj (talk) 05:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Read this - ^[1]V.S.bhardwaj (talk) 06:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please dont delete this page because this wiki page used as wiki article for the people of bairagi caste Gupta Ynr (talk) 14:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gupta Ynr, I am totally confused. I thought Bairagi is a sect and not a caste. Donald Trump could become a Bairagi if he wanted. Please can you explain the following quotes from academic sources?

Jogi and Bairagi(Religious practioners, Shudra varna): There is one Jogi and one Bairagi hosehold in Nara.^[2]

Indeed, Buchanan’s remarks on religious practice in the Gangetic core, together with comments by other observers through the nineteenth century, indicate that Vaishnava gurus (and Ramanandis in particular) pursued a far more aggressive program of social and religious reform in comparison with their Dasnami and Nanakpanthi counterparts. Consequently, Vaishnava bairagis were drawn from the entire varna spectrum and included not only brahmans but many shudras.^[3]

when the Magistrate was confronted by the Bairagi sect^[4]

[This raj era source (not WP:RS) has a lot of information on Bairagis but does not support your claim? What is the difference between Bairagi caste and Bairagi sect? LukeEmily (talk) 14:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Mahendra Lal Patel (1997), Awareness in Weaker Section : Perspective Development and Prospects, p. 36, ISBN 81-7533-029-5
^ Erin Patrice Moore (1990). He who Owns the Stick Owns the Buffalo: Gender and Power in the Study of Justice, Rajasthan, India. University of California, Berkeley. p. 81. Jogi and Bairagi(Religious practioners, Shudra varna): There is one Jogi and one Bairagi hosehold in Nara.
^ William R. Pinch (18 June 1996). Peasants and Monks in British India. University of California Press. pp. 38–. ISBN 978-0-520-20061-6. Indeed, Buchanan's remarks on religious practice in the Gangetic core, together with comments by other observers through the nineteenth century, indicate that Vaishnava gurus (and Ramanandis in particular) pursued a far more aggressive program of social and religious reform in comparison with their Dasnami and Nanakpanthi counterparts. Consequently, Vaishnava bairagis were drawn from the entire varna spectrum and included not only brahmans but many shudras.
^ Kama Maclean (28 August 2008). Pilgrimage and Power: The Kumbh Mela in Allahabad, 1765-1954. OUP USA. pp. 128–. ISBN 978-0-19-533894-2. when the Magistrate was confronted by the Bairagi sect,...

Difference between Bairagi Caste and Bairagi Sect

Caste is formed when there is marital relationship within a community in Indian Hindu Society. and Sect means someone is following any philosophy. If someone is following vaishnavism (vaishnava philosophy), we can not considered him/her member of Bairagi caste. He is only member of bairagi sect. Everyone from any caste, class and varna can be member of bairagi sect. But he/she can not be member of bairagi caste. A person can be member of caste only by birth in Indian Hindu society. So, this is the difference between bairagi caste and bairagi sect.V.S.bhardwaj (talk) 05:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

Protect this page to prevent vandalism Gupta Ynr (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Protect this page to prevent vandalism because this is nit about bairagi sect this is about vaishnav bairagi Caste — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gupta Ynr (talk • contribs) 06:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Protect this page to prevent vandalism because this is nit about bairagi sect but this is only about vaishnav bairagi caste which can be be from brahmin varna in modern world Gupta Ynr (talk) 06:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bairagi Brahmins (About This Article)

This article is about Bairagi Brahmins (Brahmin Bairagis) not about all types of Bairagis, Brahmin Bairagi is a separate caste. There is marital relationship within Bairagi Brahmins (Bairagi brahmins) Only. Eg. Jaat Bairagis are called Dhanavanshi Bairagi, Kumbhar Bairagis are called Kumbhabansi Bairagi and Maratha Bairagis etc. To understand this, we can See British Raj documents - ^[1] ^[2]V.S.bhardwaj (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gazatteer of the Bombay Presidency, 1884, p. 691
^ CENSUS REPORT, 1911, BIKANER STATE (PDF), 1911, p. 35

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[hello-1] Mahendra Lal Patel (1997), Awareness in Weaker Section : Perspective Development and Prospects, p. 36, ISBN 81-7533-029-5

[Moore1990-2] Erin Patrice Moore (1990). He who Owns the Stick Owns the Buffalo: Gender and Power in the Study of Justice, Rajasthan, India. University of California, Berkeley. p. 81. Jogi and Bairagi(Religious practioners, Shudra varna): There is one Jogi and one Bairagi hosehold in Nara.

[3] William R. Pinch (18 June 1996). Peasants and Monks in British India. University of California Press. pp. 38–. ISBN 978-0-520-20061-6. Indeed, Buchanan's remarks on religious practice in the Gangetic core, together with comments by other observers through the nineteenth century, indicate that Vaishnava gurus (and Ramanandis in particular) pursued a far more aggressive program of social and religious reform in comparison with their Dasnami and Nanakpanthi counterparts. Consequently, Vaishnava bairagis were drawn from the entire varna spectrum and included not only brahmans but many shudras.

[Maclean2008-4] Kama Maclean (28 August 2008). Pilgrimage and Power: The Kumbh Mela in Allahabad, 1765-1954. OUP USA. pp. 128–. ISBN 978-0-19-533894-2. when the Magistrate was confronted by the Bairagi sect,...

[gazattee-5] Gazatteer of the Bombay Presidency, 1884, p. 691

[hi-6] CENSUS REPORT, 1911, BIKANER STATE (PDF), 1911, p. 35

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