Talk:Bad Blood

Move page to "Bad blood"

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The article located at "Bad blood" (with the second word lowercase) simply redirects here, to "Bad Blood" (with it capitalized). If there is no real article at the former, it might just as simply be the disambiguation page itself.

MoS:DAB links to WP:DAB for naming conventions, and the latter states, "Usually, there should be just one disambiguation page for all cases (upper- or lower-case) and variant punctuation." WP:Naming reads, "Do not capitalize second and subsequent words unless the title is a proper noun (such as a name) or is otherwise almost always capitalized," which I interpret to mean "in almost all uses of a specific term, not almost all variant terms. Couple the two, and I believe the page should follow the standard guideline, not capitalizing the second word, regardless of the fact that many (or even most) of the entries are capitalized.

This is not to mention that moving the page will make it easier to link to it - the current setup is just begging to be double-redirected. —PaladinWhite 05:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose, why move the dab page to Bad blood when all of the entries are capitalized as Bad Blood? PC78 11:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • What happens when one that's not capitalized comes along? We ought to follow WP:MoS (disambiguation pages), no matter what's being disambiguated.
    • Even if one does come along, capitalized entries will still be in the overwhelming majority. What part of MoS:DAB are you referring to, specifically? PC78 20:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Sorry, I suppose I should have explained that one a bit better or provided a better link. See above for my added rationale. PaladinWhite 23:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
        • OK then, but WP:DAB doesn't favour lower-case over upper-case, and the bit you quote from WP:Naming clearly says "unless the title is a proper noun (such as a name)", which all of the entries on this dab page are. Sorry, but I still don't see any logic to this move, nor anything in the guidelines to support it. PC78 18:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
• Wikipedia can't rely on everybody getting case of letters right when typing into Wikipedia looking for information. Whether this page is called Bad Blood or bad blood, we will need a #redirect from the other case variant. Anthony Appleyard 17:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the page is called "Bad blood", won't capitalizing both still get you there? (Try getting to "Mash tun" by typing "Mash Tun"... That's my point exactly. A page without the capitalization makes navigation easier. PaladinWhite 21:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 07:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

22 April, 2007 edit

I've gone through and edited the page as best I could to conform with WP:MoS (DAB) - there are a couple problems that I'm not sure how to resolve.

• I couldn't figure out how to format some links, e.g. titles which required piping for quotes, but also included a qualifier. For instance:
  • Bad Blood (Dresden) - not piping the link at all leaves the title unquoted, obviously incorrect.
  • "Bad Blood (Dresden)" - placing quotation marks outside the link puts them around the qualifier, also incorrect.
  • "Bad Blood" (Dresden) - piping includes the quotation marks as a part of the link, which I believe is inappropriate, but is the best solution I could find.
• Two entries still have a redlink as their only link, because neither the book nor the author has an article - the MoS reads that redlinks should not be the only link on a line, but I felt that the inclusion of these entries was better left for someone else to decide.
  • Bad Blood (Linda Corby) an autobiography by Linda Corby published in 2005
  • Bad Blood (Alan M Brooker), the 1998 novel

PaladinWhite 02:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)