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This article was selected as the article for improvement on 15 May 2013 for a period of one week.

On 12 June 2020, it was proposed that this article be moved from Australian Aboriginal sacred site to Australian Aboriginal heritage site. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Possible improvements

For any with the time and inclination .. I note that the term 'Aboriginal sacred sites' has a long history, particularly promoted and/or popularized by inquirines conducted by the Commowealth Government during the Gough Whitlam years .. ultimately resulting in the establishment of the Sacred Sites Authority in the Northern Territory.

Ultimately this article could easily be expanded in an absolutely massive list .. and someone working on the article might be better seeking to representatively sample some 'sacred sites' from difference parts/ bioregions of Australia .. rather than start a list that could ultimately grow into the 10's of thousands!!

Also, I note that while Aboriginal Australia in particular commonly share understanding and regularly express the idea of "mens' business" and "womens' business" .. these real phenomena are not yet fully explained within the English language Wikipedia .. and a proper expansion of this article might provide useful opportunity to do so (there will be plenty of references to draw upon!)

Will keep watching .. and have identified the article on Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia .. hoping some editor has the time and is inclined to expand this otherwise important article?! Bruceanthro (talk) 01:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Refimprove

This is a very small article, and seems adequately sourced. I am dropping the flag. Easily restored if someone disagrees, but the reasoning should probably be shared here. :)- sinneed (talk) 02:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Title and focus

Aboriginal sacred sites in Australia would be a more accurate representation of the current focus and content of this article, in my opinion. There are aboriginal peoples and sacred sites all over the world, not only in Oz. Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 14:31, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I have moved the article to "Australian Aboriginal sacred sites" rather than to "Aboriginal sacred sites in Australia" because the latter title would imply a list article. It would also imply that there are Australian aboriginal sacred sites in other countries, which is not the case. This article is about the concept of sites sacred to Aboriginals in Australia, with examples. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 08:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) ~ Amkgp 💬 18:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Aboriginal sacred site → Australian Aboriginal heritage site – There seems to be confusion and loose terminology used in many sources between sites of archaeological significance, or "occupation sites", and those connected to Aboriginal mythology or spirituality. I'm open to suggestions for other names, but think it needs discussion and review. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add a few quick citations: Sacred and heritage sites (Austrade); Guide to Aboriginal sites and places (Creative Spirits); and Aboriginal Heritage and the Cultural Landscape of the ACT (ACT government). I'm sure there are loads of others! (This arose when I was looking at the Juukan Gorge caves, finding various sources using these terms loosely.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:57, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, from the text of the article the present name seems appropriate, and the "sacred sites" have been its topic since its 2007 creation. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There's quite a lot more that could be added under a more inclusive title, and there's a spotlight on mining companies' intentions regarding a variety of types of sites at the moment. Because of the overlap, I think that it would be more useful all in one article than separated into two, or scattered across several. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The topic seems important enough to have its own article, and to keep its original (with the later addition of "Australian") and now long-term title. The proposed name also would confuse by its similarity to articles referring to World Heritage Sites. An expansion seems fine while using this title, and the additional information that you envision could probably be worded to fit the article's topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Juukan Gorge before/after

Are there any before/after photos? Or, maps or drawings that show the interior of the cave before/after the blast.--2OO.3OO.2OO.3OO (talk) 08:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that there are any available under the type of licence needed for Wikipedia, but I expect that if they exist, someone will find and add them... Have you tried looking, 2OO.3OO.2OO.3OO? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Juukan Gorge after/after

What has/will happen to the site after the blast? Even if destroyed, the remains of the cave (and surrounding landscape) could still qualify as an important heritage site. I hope that Rio Tinto won't go on bulldozing everything.--2OO.3OO.2OO.3OO (talk) 08:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 2OO.3OO.2OO.3OO, please note the WP:TALK for talk page guidelines. The page is not for general discussion, but for discussion about the Wikipedia article only. If and when answers appear in RS, hopefully they will be added to the article(s). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Juukan Gorge main coverage

Others and I have been adding bits to this article, the section on Juukan Gorge in the Hammersley Ranges (the redirect target at the moment), and at Rio Tinto (corporation)#Juukan Gorge. As this incident and its ramifications are likely to continue for a while, I'm thinking that maybe it needs its own article where one main source of the detail can be maintained, with just a brief summary paragraph from each of the other articles. What do people think? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I've posted the same thing on all three talk pages, but discussion is probably best kept in one place - maybe at Talk:Rio Tinto (corporation)#Juukan Gorge main coverage, as there are other discussions with links there that could be useful. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]