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Unlike Goth, Therving, etc., where the th is pronounced t, IIRC, in Athawulf, the th is pronounced th. Jacob Haller 13:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any cite that the name is Atta-wulfs (father-wolf) instead of Aþa-wulfs? Jacob Haller 04:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At JSTOR, which archives only professional publications, most peer-reviewed, a search Ataulf brings up 9 instances, a search Athaulf 53. Just a wet finger in the wind... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wetman (talk • contribs) 04:55, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

Looks like reason enough to delete the redirect now at Athaulf and move this page over there. Jacob Haller 04:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this instance you need an administrator to accomplish the move, but is it all that important? The Collins which is sitting on my desk about a foot away from me right now uses "Ataulph" and it was published in 2004, I think. Srnec 04:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What stupid ridiculous cr*p is that!! Someone inventing explanations and put it here? That's WP:OR! Athaulf is "noble wolf" (athel = adel = ädel in germanic). Father wolf would possibly have been Attaulf, probably Fathrulf. I decapitaded that "father wolf" stuff mercilessly. Said: Rursus ☻ 18:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, Wulfilan Gothic Þ and English Th (Þ or Ð) usually becomes German D, due to the High German consonant shift in the latter; e.g. Gothic þiuda (any people), archaic English theod, and German Deutsch. On the other hand, Wulfilan Gothic and English T usually becomes German Ss or Z. The Swedish form (Adolf or Latinized Adolphus), of course, borrows from the German form.

Thus Gothic *Aþawulfs leads to German or Swedish Adolf,

But Gothic *Attawulfs would lead, afaik, to German or Swedish Atzolf...

This argument is of course OR, but I've never run across the *Attawulfs interpretation before, so I've no idea where to look to find arguments for or against it. Jacob Haller 06:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the meaning of the name really relevant to the article? If a citation isn't provided, I say remove it. Srnec 18:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The question is whether the name is Ataulf or Athaulf (with the þ-sound). Jacob Haller 20:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That question is answered: scholarly resources use both. Why? I can't be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Latinisation, which is probably all we know, varies in spelling. This would mean that we cannot know, based on surviving records, what the roots of his name were. But we can be sure that both Ataulf/Ataulph and Athaulf are used by historians today. As to the pronunciation, it may have varied and I doubt we can know with certainty how it was pronounced by the man himself. Srnec 04:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Gothic word "At(t)(h)(a)" not mean "noble". "Adal" (or "Athal", "Edel", Ethel, Æthel) mean "noble". "At(t)(h)(a)" and "Adal" are two different words.--Sirius2044 (talk) 18:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, in A?a-wulfs we have a vowel, a glide, and another vowel. But in Latin au is a dipthong, in Gothic it is one vowel, and in English people are more likely to read it as one vowel than as a vowel, a glide, and another vowel. So the name and the title are misleading. 173.66.5.216 (talk) 16:50, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]