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Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:27, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arsen Avakov (politician) → Arsen Avakov – This guy is far more famous than the retired footballer whose article gets 300 views a month. --Relisted. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:08, 25 December 2014 (UTC) Երևանցի ^talk 03:08, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Arsen Avakov → Arsen Avakov (footballer)

Oppose. In my view, it should be Arsen Avakov (politician). But Arsen Avakov rename to Arsen Avakov (footballer). This two persons are dealing (or dealt) with two different and equivalent areas, it should be reflected here--Unikalinho (talk) 13:30, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Commemnt (AND NOTE TO ADMINS) I don't mind leaving this article's title as it is, but "Arsen Avakov" should redirect to here and not to the lesser known footballer. --Երևանցի ^talk 01:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, that would be unnecessary disambiguation. There are three options: (1) the footballer is primary topic, and the status quo is acceptable; (2) the politician is primary topic, and this move should occur; (3) there is no primary topic, and the base title should be a disambiguation page (this is somewhat discouraged by WP:TWODABS). --BDD (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. --BDD (talk) 16:16, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - no clear PRIMARYTOPIC; however I would support Arsen Avakov → Arsen Avakov (footballer) and turning Arsen Avakov into a disambiguation page. Giant Snowman 17:56, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Page view statistics show the politician is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in a WP:TWODABS situation. It got 6996 views in the last 90 days, over 5 times more than the soccer player at 1326. This is all the more striking considering the fact that the soccer player is at the base name Arsen Avakov (meaning all people typing in or clicking on the name go there). It also seems that the prominent politician will outweigh the retired athlete in terms of "long-term significance". There's no need for a dab page per WP:TWODABS; the hat note will work just as well for readers as a dab page.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Question is there a third figure in books? In ictu oculi (talk) 21:42, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think the politician would be particularly well-represented in Google Books--he's only become a prominent politician over the last nine years. Red Slash 00:42, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support per Cúchullain. A retired soccer player? Against a very prominent minister in the Ukranian government? Come on. Red Slash 00:42, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support There's much more page views for Arsen Avakov the politician. There's no way Arsen Avakov that the football player receives 1326 views just for who he is. I'm quite certain that they just accidentally stumbled upon his page when trying to go to politician Arsen Avakov's article. Much of these page views are when Arsen Avakov made the headlines in September-October 2014. A disambiguation would be unnecessary in this case. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - No clear PT, would support creation of disamb though. Fenix down (talk) 10:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Fenix down: What exactly is not clear? Google Arsen Avakov. Virtually every result is about this politician. --Երևանցի ^talk 15:44, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He is a politician who only recently became a minister and has only been in the ukrainian parliament for little over two years. It's not like he has decades of national level political service or has held an extremely high rank for a number of years. I agree that this article probaly should be Arsen Avakov (footballer), but not that it should be moved so another individual can take the primary name, which is the proposal of this RM. A Disamb page would be preferable to me in this instance. Fenix down (talk) 16:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He has been a politician since the early 2000s and is now a highly important member of a national government of the largest country in Europe. Does that not make him more notable than a football player whose article is a stub and who has played only for secondary clubs? --Երևանցի ^talk 17:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He has been a regional politician for a number of years, he has only appeared on the national stage in the last couple of years. The footballer in question played international football for Tajikistan for a period of seven years and spent the best part of a decade playing in the top Soviet / Russian league for various clubs. I simply don't see anything at the moment that makes one or other of these individuals so much more prominent than the other that they should be considered the primary topic. The fact that one individual s retired from their profession is irrelevant. A disamb page seems the most appropriate solution here. Fenix down (talk) 10:41, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't about who was famous or notable decades ago, it's about who is more notable today. There's no doubt that Arsen the politician is more notable today. You may believe that a footballer was once more notable, but that shouldn't be the defining reason to have a disamb page. That will make it a tad bit more difficult for the thousands of readers who are searching for the politician. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EtienneDolet (talk • contribs) 20:37, 12 January 2015

support --Sencbaner (talk) 03:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – There is no way that one can argue that the footballer is more "primary" than an important minister in the Ukrainian government. Let's put stuff in proportion, shall we? RGloucester — ☎ 18:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support There is no logical reason behind any renaming to Arsen Avakov (politician). That would be like saying the George Washington article needs to be disambiguation for someone like George Washington (baseball), who is of no where near importance. Arsen Avakov is a rare name because it is a modified name, and there is no one as noteworthy in the world as the politician. --Steverci (talk) 17:59, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Arrested in absentia"

Maybe this is common legal terminology, but the following sentence doesn't make sense to me: "On 9 July 2014, a Moscow district court arrested him in absentia." How can they arrest someone who is not there? I suppose it means that they issued an arrest warrant for him, but is it really common to call it "arresting" someone if they don't actually physically confine them? Ornilnas (talk) 03:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The thing is that a resignation of a Ukrainian minister needs to be accepted by the parliament to take effect: as long as that has not happened the person is still incumbent.

Good luck with your winning the football pool StarDeg and Khronicle I; since you can look into the future... it is guaranteed you will win.... The thing is that a resignation of a Ukrainian minister needs to be accepted by the parliament to take effect: as long as that has not happened the person is still incumbent. Health Minister Alexander Kvitashvili in July 2015 wrote a letter of resignation, but the Ukrainian parliament never accepted his resignation; hence he stayed Health Minister until April 2016....

PS Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]