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Could you please discuss...

I am going to ask the contributor who made this big, unexplained excision to return here to explain why they thought it was necessary.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 19:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I waited a couple of weeks for an explanation. None being offered I have restored the references excised without explanation. Geo Swan (talk) 16:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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"War ship"

Hi all. Are these patrol boats or warships? Any Armor? What's the combat system? Any air search/surveillance radar, fire control radar, or sonar suite? I wonder if they should be called along the line "multi-purpose, ice-capable offshore patrol ships"? Thanks, --Now wiki (talk) 13:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Follow the sources. Patrol ships are warships. Llammakey (talk) 14:55, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Danish and Irish patrol ships

Hi all, if you look at the ships in the Irish and Danish navies that are patrol ships they smaller in tonnage and do not have ice breaking capability. The Wikipedia pages of both are the sources on this. Ashen Knight (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Llammakey (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Dewolf-class offshore patrol vessel: "non-notable sailing"

Is this phrase defined somewhere? These two ships are currently out at sea simultaneously, so the previous statement is demonstrably no longer the case. The only reference I could find to the current sailing of HMCS William Hall is as follows: "On May 5th, WILLIAM HALL held a ceremony at sea commemorating Battle of the Atlantic Sunday." (https://www.facebook.com/HMCS.NCSM.WilliamHall/). Is that a "notable sailing"? This criticism section seems disingenuous if it is not subsequently recognized that the Navy can indeed man multiple AOPS at the same time. Thanks. 184.147.246.47 (talk) 23:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The RCN Fleet Tracker app shows HMCS Margaret Brooke sailing in the Caribbean near Barbados on 5 May 24. Obviously, HMCS Max Bernays is now commissioned. Therefore, you are quite correct that multiple AOPS are in service. Thus, the comment about there being insufficient crews is no longer correct. It could be modified to reflect the changes.

The sailings themselves are not noteworthy, but the fact that they are occurring simultaneously is. Bluenose Gunner (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taking the non-notable sailings of two ships and using them as proof to counter an argument is WP:OR. You need to find a WP:RS that counters what the admiral said. If the sailings were deployments - Operation Nanook and Caribbe for example - that would be two operational ships. A commemorative sail is definitely non-notable and not indicative of operational capability. Furthermore, this is Wikipedia - every time a church bell is rung to commemorate something does not need to reported on the website per WP:NOTNEWS. Also Facebook is not WP:RS. Please read the links I have provided. Llammakey (talk) 19:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback. The coastal transfer of HMCS Max Bernays had a blended crew "of 55 West and 43 East Coast Royal Canadian Navy fleet members":

https://www.cheknews.ca/hmcs-max-bernays-arrives-at-the-esquimalt-harbour-1199624/

It looks like progress is being made. Hopefully some future simultaneous notable sailings will soon demonstrate a growing capability. Point taken re: original research - guilty as charged. 184.147.246.47 (talk) 21:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your efforts.

Hopefully, we can soon find a credible ref that shows multiple AOPS at sea at the same time so that we change the obviously dated entry about insufficient crews for more than one ship. Bluenose Gunner (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AOPS 8 (coast guard ship 2) Began construction

Per Irving's press release (linked) AOPS 8 cut first steel on June 28th, 2024.

https://shipsforcanada.ca/our-stories/irving-shipbuilding-celebration-of-progress-and-milestones Kay numbers (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit, added the changed to the main article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kay numbers (talk • contribs) 16:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-missile detect system?

Does the Harry Dewolf-class actually have any anti-missile detection system? I was unable to find any reference material to confirm this capability. 184.145.158.136 (talk) 23:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More importantly, does Harry DeWolf class have anything beyond standard maritime sensor and communications suite that necessitates using 9 rows in the infobox? Tupsumato (talk) 04:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of the individual ship descriptions or infoboxes appear to have any indication of such things. Elaborating in the class description doesn't seem unreasonable. 184.145.158.136 (talk) 14:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that many of those systems are standard equipment on all seagoing ships. I'd probably leave out at least VHF/HF radio, integrated bridge system, navigational radars, inertial navigation system, and damage/machinery control systems; I'd keep Link 16 -capable SATCOM (unique to naval ships), surveillance radar (another system most likely found only on naval ships), and anti-missile detection system^{[citation needed]}. As per User:Llammakey's comment below, I'd probably also move information such as boat manufacturers to the article body. Tupsumato (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox is crammed full of stuff that does not belong there and is starting to look like a weapons bazaar. No one needs to know who made the multi-use boats or navigational radars in the infobox. Even mentioning things like VHF radio or SATCOM, something as common as found in a sedan or in your cellphone should not even be mentioned in the description.Llammakey (talk) 15:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]